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2017-08-13T11:17:43Z

Guffer:

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== General / Overall ==
* Example feedback -- [[User:Sha2017.org-stitch|Sha2017.org-stitch]] ([[User talk:Sha2017.org-stitch|talk]])
* Otter!
* a great event, much fun and much to experience and learn, thank you everybody! :)
* Been there, had fun!
* No music after 2am was kind of bad joke
* The Dutch camp orga seems to not understand chaos. There is no point in trying to defeat chaos, you have to build your structure around it. This often failed. Anyway, overall I had a good experience.
* Had a nice time & met new interesting people, thanks to the orga for making SHA2017 happen! [[User:BjornW|BjornW]]

== Bar ==

* Prices at the Bar felt like a ripoff to me - eg. EUR 1.50 for a candy bar. There are gas stations that sell them for less. :( -- [[User:Mkie|Mkie]] ([[User talk:Mkie|talk]])
* Premade Tschunk and at some point without ice while the drink itself was on the more expensive side.
* No fruit Juice only soda stuff, so for abstemious the only solution was Pepsi and 7-up
** There were apple juice/orange juice (and a 3rd one i don't remember, no one asked for it during my shifts) :) -- [[User:Bigshot|Bigshot]] ([[User talk:Bigshot|talk]])
* 2 "beers" on tap. I understand it has to make a profit, but was expensive - even for carbonated drinks. Didn't use it that much.

== Cohesion ==
== Content ==
* Tardis room not explained on Frab so I didn't done 2 talks in the schedule
* Very good and a good range of subjects. There was some overlap of talks

== Content/Heralds ==
== Content/Speakerdesk ==

== Decoration ==
* Sort of worked. The amount of time spent on decorating the portacabins might have been better spent on more site decoration

== Design ==
* Site design was not bad. The bar area didnt make much noise at night except for the "music lounge" and I use that term loosely. Could it not have gone the other side of the bar further away from the quiet areas and the talk tents?

== Family Village ==
*I was not part of the Family Village, but visited it multiple times with my daughter. This was my sixth time at the Dutch Hackercamps starting with HIP97 and the Family Village this time at SHA2017 outdid all other editions: a bouncy castle, 'ballenbak' and 2 tents with content tailored to kids. Awesome! Compliments to the Family Village orga team for making this a great experience for kids! -- [[User:BjornW|BjornW]]
*There were also sailing lessons for kids in the harbor (as well as grown up kids)... -- [[User:Andi2|Andi2]] ([[User talk:Andi2|talk]])

== Finance/coins/payments ==

* I did not like the way purchases at Bar/Foodcourt were handled, by buying coins. Especially the no-refund policy. (this was added by User [[User:Derchris|Derchris]] but not properly signed)
* The coin thingy felt like a bit of a ripoff, as you would always have some useless plastic coins left over at the end. And the coin machines always spat out the coins on the floor, despite the attempted fixes with tape - it seemed they were designed by people who have never designed such a thing before. -- [[User:PoempelFox|PoempelFox]] ([[User talk:PoempelFox|talk]])
* The plastic coins are so unbelievable senseless. Don't we have this €-thing within the EU to exchange goods / services against cash already?
* No prices for the coins online in advance of the event, No prices for the food / drink items online.
* Coins are a pain in the backside. Also no indication as to which type of overseas cards would work. Visa/Mastercard didn't work, but Visa Debit did. World has gone contactless. Understand it is an issue in getting the money from the card companies. Cash still needs to be available for those who don't have the euro as their local currency. No way to get your money back for unspent coins.
* Plastic coins also very susceptible to being 3D printed...

== Foodcourt ==

* While the food at the food court was good, there was not nearly enough choice. Especially if you wanted a main meal to eat and not just some sweets, your choice was "a burger", "fries", "noodles from a wok" or "vegan stuff trying to imitate meat". That really isn't a lot to get repleted, and at 2 meals a day you repeat everything multiple times. Also, at least on the first two days the food court was completely overwhelmed by the demand, the queues were endless, you'd stand in line for an hour. And they opened too late - at 14:00 on day 1, only the 'holy crepe' was open, nothing else. Did you not expect people to eat on the first day?! -- [[User:PoempelFox|PoempelFox]] ([[User talk:PoempelFox|talk]])
* I wasn't so pleased with food court. The food was ok, but just ok while only delivering small amounts of food seemed like a ripoff for me. Disclosure: I'm spoiled by the food from the angel kitchen :)
* Great improvement from OHM2013 :) -- [[User:Bigshot|Bigshot]] ([[User talk:Bigshot|talk]])
* Being dependent on the food court would have meant starving from both a lack of nutritional value (portions way too small, not enough choice for 5 days, more snacks than meals, not enough vegetarian options) as well as a lack of funds (7,50 for a small burger!?). Thanks to Millyway's, Pizza Village, home-cooking and Italian Embassy disaster was averted and I survived ;). Maybe next time a system similar to the Angel kitchen could be setup for the whole camp? -- [[User:BjornW|BjornW]]
:* Or you could have volunteered and gotten awesome, abundant food at no cost ;-) I don't think feeding 3500 people from one kitchen is feasible; kitchens scale, but they don't scale THAT much. -- [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])
* Very limited selection and expensive. "Cook like your mom" was good.

== Infodesk / wiki ==
* Worked well

== Logistics (shuttle, waste) ==

* The ability to post packages to the event was invaluable. I was able to repair diesel bike and go home. --[[User:Russell|Russell]] ([[User talk:Russell|talk]])
* Luggage shuttle, so useful, very helping, so wow!
* No bottle drop points :(
* Waste bins at campsite areas nowhere near big enough, consider using 1100litre eurobins in the camping areas, else volunteers are forever picking up bags from the ground. More glass recycling needed -- [[User:Sha2017.org-will-h|Sha2017.org-will-h]] ([[User talk:Sha2017.org-will-h|talk]])
** Bigger bins would have caused issues in the emptying of them on a daily basis (impossible to hoist them into a golf cart and the walking distance was enormous. Wouldn't fit the trash compactor either). Most days we were all right and only minor buildup occured. We didn't anticipate the holy shit storm on teardown day. Did not see that people just dump crap on the floor because they didn't bring any binbags. Also: villages could have helped out with this, we even provided a few with extra binliners. Some did excellent and helped out, others did not. I see a correlation between the loudness of the village and the mess they leave behind. The Geraffel/Chaos West clusters were the center of the waste shit storm. Pizza Village and Milliways second place. Thanks for that. Agree on the glass and trash separation. That was my bad, completely forgot to arrange more glass bins. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])
* As noted, bins seemed to be very random at being emptied. As suggested earlier, perhaps the larger eurobins?
* Getting stuff on site using the gold cart and trailers was hit and miss. If you have cars arriving in the car park, the buggies could have waited and taken lots of people stuff at once. Not clearly signed or informed of how that process worked.

== Music Lounge ==
* Expanses for silent Headphone parties can be spared.
* Have it a bit further away to keep the noise away from interfering with the talks going on in the two nearby areas
== Silent Lounge ==
* Having helped at the bar i can say that there was a problem with people asking for a beer (or something else) loudly from outside or ignoring the "no-shoe" sign. -- [[User:Bigshot|Bigshot]] ([[User talk:Bigshot|talk]])
* Sort of worked.
== NOC / Network ==
* I wish my ISP would have the same quality
* Connectivity was good most of the time. 2.4Gig mostly worked. Would have been nice if the NOC had let us know about the IPv6 issues at the start rather than just "we've fixed it" as it caused me various problems to start with.

== POC / Dect / Fieldphones ==
* worked very well

== Power ==
* Was reliable, but not enough outlets. Some areas had nothing attached. Could they not have moved the boxes and just joined the cables together? D Some Ceeform 16A would have made it easier for people who have leads where we use them a lot for camping.
* If you are going to kill the power at 6PM the night before people have to leave please tell them. We only knew due to having people around from the Orga. Was insulting to have the generator running but no cables left out to power the harbor, not to mention the search light still going.

== Alt.pwr ==
== Productiehuis / recordings / track tents / AV / VOC ==
* C3VOC did a good job as always.
* Video walls worked well, although some did get upset at times and have tearing issues. Would be nice if we could get the slides of presentations as well.

== Safety / stewards / first aid / Fire Marshalls ==
* Where to start on this? You seriously have to look at the Health and Safety. You had people driving heavy plant during the time that visitors were on site during the time that people were allowed on site and also tear down with no banks(wo)men. Driving with loads on their forks and couldn't see in front. Almost all the drivers of the golf buggies were mental (worse than the italians in Rome...) even worse on the main terrain - how anyone was not seriously hurt I don't know. Yes, bomb around, but not where people, especially children are. And no lights.
* Site lighting was poor. WE had festoon on the ground from the car park to the main gate. Didn't illuminate it that well and there were large rock lumps on the path. Then no lighting from the main gate taking you in to camp. Main access paths had no lighting, and with the Dutch loving their bikes, zooming past in the dark with no lights - not good considering the amount of booze being consumed. The lighting was then torn out on the Tuesday evening when people were still leaving at night

== Sysadmin / bofh ==
* There were sysadmins? I didn't notice, therefore they did a very good job!
== Terrain ==

* Should another event occour on this field, the fields on the harbour-side of the dyke should all be powered to allow use. Because they have a ground where water quickly drains, so they never flooded or got overly muddy, and they were well protected from the wind. Many people realized that, and Snowdon field was completely packed with sleeping tents. If Zuse had had power and network infrastructure, it would probably have been well used as well. -- [[User:PoempelFox|PoempelFox]] ([[User talk:PoempelFox|talk]])
* Assigning explicit maximum noise ratings for fields made this event way more enjoyable than the last ones -- [[User:Sprawl|Sprawl]] ([[User talk:Sprawl|talk]])
* the terrain was good but maybe the camp was a bit too "diluted", if the next event will occour in the same terrain it can be a nice idea to close some fields. -- [[User:Bigshot|Bigshot]] ([[User talk:Bigshot|talk]])
* Better water management would make a lot of difference, but I understand that is not easy or cheap. I liked that the camp was so spread out over different fields so one could easily choose more peace and quiet; I'd have hated to be in a noisier area. Please don't pack us into a smaller number of fields! -- [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])
* Camp was over an area a bit too large - could have been condensed down a bit. Quiet areas were a winner for those that wanted it. Its a hack camp, not a techno rave camp. Know issues with the fields being water locked not too much of an issue during the event. Could have been a bigger problem.
* Car parking worked well. Just a very long walk for some people from the car park back to their village.

== Ticket and Entrance ==
* See note in the safety area about this
== Villages ==
Worked well. Having some of the reserved areas marked out worked. However, those in campers, unless you turned up on day -2 you couldn't get near to your village area. Needed more areas but perhaps with less vehicles together.
== Volunteering / Angels ==
* The food was EXTRA ORDINARY! Kudos to the kitchen crew; please never ever change anything. The food was twice warm meal, it was tasty, it had at several dishes, it was complex to tease one, and I was actually having a full stomach every time and that means something with my bottom less stomach -- [[User:Pcdog|Pcdog]] ([[User talk:Pcdog|talk]])
** I liked the food too. The cooking was done by "Mecklenburger". You can meet them at different festivals and the bigger events done by CCC. They will be at 34c3 in Leipzig for sure.
* I recommend to put of a sign in the walk way towards the fields and main area to sign up as Angel in the Angel system. This is to have a bigger traction in the beginning of the event.
* For most of my shifts (even the money handling and/or more complex ones) I never met the person in charge / a coordinator and therefore got different or no instructions.
* At some point even Heaven was overtaken by volunteers without proper instruction / planning. They did a very good job (thanks for the after midnight coffee delivery!), but at the same moment it felt like the organizers of SHA2017 had lost control over quite big parts of the event.
* All the angels really were angels. Some of them even working 8+ hours a day beside they had payed >200€ for an ticket!
* Having only one disinfection machine (and no dishwasher) in the angle kitchen was kind of a bad joke. Delivering over thousands meals every day needs a little up scaling for the cleaning capabilities too ;)
* Angels make the event. Bribery of food works. Many thanks to them.

== Toilets/Showers ==
* These were good! Always clean. Too much queueing on the toilets/showers by the harbour (Hopper/Snowden) and Orga, though; this area needs more in future, I was frequently going to other areas of the camp to use facilities. -- [[User:Sha2017.org-will-h|Sha2017.org-will-h]] ([[User talk:Sha2017.org-will-h|talk]])
* Showers variable. The permanent site showers couldn't keep up with the hot water especially in Hopper. The bar needed more toilets in a closer proximity to it. Facilities seemed to be cleaned. Always seems to be a supply of wiping rag.
== Miscellaneous ==
* Field access after the event was painful especially for those who had a lot of kit to get out. While I understand limiting the vehicles on site - after having several near misses with the golf carts it was ironic limiting the movement of vehicles to that degree. Perhaps send vehicles in a line with a few vehicles going to the same area to get the throughput. Was causing issues in the logistics car park with lorries not being able to turn properly.

User:Guffer

2017-07-28T15:16:54Z

Guffer:

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|Village=Village:Bristol Hackspace
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Bringing myself and others from the East Midlands UK.
I help to run www.mkmakerspace.co.uk a hack/maker space in Milton Keynes, UK.
If you are in the area feel free to pay us a visit and get your hackport stamped (we'll find something to do it with)
Have helped out extensively at EMF 2014 and 2016.
If you have never volunteered during a hack type camp, do it.
It can be extremely rewarding as you get to meet lots of people.

User:Guffer

2017-07-13T23:58:20Z

Guffer:

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|Name=Guffer
|Bringing=Myself, PhilSwinbank, soot chucker, tent, 'lectric coolbox, power, etherweb, Euro's, GSOH, sleeping bag, some pi's and other associated junk
|Village=Village:Bristol Hackspace
|Arrival=2017/08/03 19:00
|BuildupVehicle=No
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Bringing myself and others from the East Midlands UK.
I help to run www.mkmakerspace.co.uk a hack/maker space in Milton Keynes, UK.
If you are in the area feel free to pay us a visit and get your hackport stamped (we'll find something to do it with)
Have helped out extensively at EMF 2014 and 2016.
If you have never volunteered during a hack type camp, do it.
It can be extremely rewarding as you get to meet lots of people.

Travel options from UK

2017-06-28T22:20:25Z

Guffer:

''As I was working out the best method to get to SHA from the UK I thought I might as well document it on the Wiki...''

== Assumptions ==
* Travel in time to arrive at some point 3 August 2017, but some tickets aren't available for that date yet so prices are guessed based on earlier dates.
* One is considering sensible options. While you could come by boat or hovercraft that's a bit of a stupid idea to cross the channel and you'll probably die.
* Coming by light aircraft is perfectly sensible and sane, you probably won't die, but is a bit silly. Nearest airfields are:
** [http://www.lelystadairport.nl/ Lelystad]- biggest GA airport in Netherlands
** [http://www.ehhv.nl/ Hilversum] - nice grass field, I've been
** [http://zcflevo.nl/ Flevo] - gliding site
* I'm coming from Northampton, but will probably make this kinda London-centric as that's the way the UK works.
* Assuming travelling alone, hackers travelling in groups will be cheaper.

== Drive ==

Google Maps suggests via the E40.

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Detail !! Journey time !! Mileage !! Round trip cost
|-
| Fuel || || || £130 according to [http://www.theaa.com/driving/mileage-calculator.jsp AA mileage planner]
|-
| Ferry Dover-Calais || || || £114 (DFDS)
|-
| Total || 7:00 || 400 miles || £244
|}

== Fly + train ==

=== Flight options ===

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Depart !! Arrive !! Carrier !! Flight time !! Cost (return) !! Notes
|-
| Luton || Amsterdam || Easyjet || || £69 ||
|-
| Birmingham || Amsterdam || Flybe || 1:20 || £86 ||
|}

=== Full route ===

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Depart !! Arrive !! Carrier !! Flight time !! Cost !! Notes
|-
| Northampton || Birmingham || London Midland train || 0:48 || £13.70||
|-
| Birmingham || Amsterdam || Flybe || 1:20 || £114 (return) ||
|-
| Amsterdam || Nijkerk || Intercity + Sprinter || 0:53 || €10.30 ||
|}

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Journey time !! Cost
|-
| 3:01 + waiting/checkin time || £142 + €20 return
|}

== Train - Eurostar ==

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Depart !! Time !! Time !! Arrive !! Duration !! Type
|-
| Northampton || 09:05 || 10:18 || London Euston || 1:13 || Crabby British train
|-
| London St. Pancras International || 10:58 || 14:05 || Bruxelles-Midi || 3:07 || Eurostar
|-
| Bruxelles Midi || 14:52 || 16:02 || Rotterdam Centraal || 1:10 || Thalys
|-
| Rotterdam Centraal || 16:35 || 17:32 || Amersfoort || 0:57 || Intercity
|-
| Amersfoort || 17:41 || 17:53 || Nijkerk || 0:12 || RegionalExpress
|}

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Journey time !! Cost
|-
| 6:39 + waiting time || £35 + €106 return
|}

== Train - Rail & Sail (overnight) ==

This seems to include train travel from anywhere after Liverpool Street to any Netherlands NS station, which I assume includes Nijkerk.

=== Routing ===
* Northampton
* London Euston
* London Liverpool Street
* Harwich
* Hook van Holland (overnight leg)
* Rotterdam
* Amersfoort
* Nijkerk

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Journey time !! Cost
|-
| Overnight || £222 + UK train to London
|}
=== UK Nerds travelling ===
The Bristol and Milton Keynes Makerspace are coming over on the 9AM Ferry from Harwich on the 3rd August if you wish to come and cause chaos on the ship.
Likewise, coming back on the Tuesday lunchtime sailing

User:Guffer

2017-06-23T23:12:39Z

Guffer:

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|Name=Guffer
|Bringing=Myself, PhilSwinbank, soot chucker, tent, 'lectric coolbox, power, etherweb, Euro's, GSOH, sleeping bag, some pi's and other associated junk
|Village=Village:Bristol Hackspace
|Arrival=2017/08/02 19:00
|BuildupVehicle=No
|Departure=2017/08/08 11:00
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Bringing myself and others from the East Midlands UK.
I help to run www.mkmakerspace.co.uk a hack/makeer space in Milton Keynes, UK.
If you are in the area feel free to pay us a visit and get your hackport stamped (we'll find something to do it with)
Have helped out extensively at EMF 2014 and 2016.
If you have never volunteered during a hack type camp, do it.
It can be extremely rewarding as you get to meet lots of people.

User:Guffer

2017-06-23T23:11:02Z

Guffer: Created page with "{{User |Name=Guffer |Bringing=Myself, PhilSwinbank, soot chucker, tent, 'lectric coolbox, power, etherweb, Euro's, GSOH, sleeping bag, some pi's and other associated junk |Arr..."

{{User
|Name=Guffer
|Bringing=Myself, PhilSwinbank, soot chucker, tent, 'lectric coolbox, power, etherweb, Euro's, GSOH, sleeping bag, some pi's and other associated junk
|Arrival=2017/08/02 19:00
|BuildupVehicle=No
|Departure=2017/08/08 11:00
}}
Bringing myself and others from the East Midlands UK.
I help to run www.mkmakerspace.co.uk a hack/makeer space in Milton Keynes, UK.
If you are in the area feel free to pay us a visit and get your hackport stamped (we'll find something to do it with)
Have helped out extensively at EMF 2014 and 2016.
If you have never volunteered during a hack type camp, do it.
It can be extremely rewarding as you get to meet lots of people.