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User:Moem

2017-09-18T12:25:27Z

Moem: /* Sixteen tents (another SHA2017 filk song) */ Alliteration FTW

{{User
|Name=Moem
|Bringing=beauty to the party. And a DECT (call 6366 or MOEM).
|Working on=Projects:WhatTheHelmet workshop, Projects:SHA217 OBCZ, Projects:KillerBee
|Arrival=2017/08/01
|BuildupVehicle=No
|Departure=2017/08/09
|EMail=moem@hack42.nl
}}
O hai! This is [https://orga.sha2017.org/index.php/User:Moem me]. I do [https://hack42.nl/wiki/Gebruiker:Moem stuff]. So much [https://www.instructables.com/member/Moem/instructables/ stuff]. Also other [https://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/Moem/ stuff]. 
And I like to sing. Let's sing a song together. I bet you know how this one goes.

=== Hacking (a SHA2017 filk song) ===

''Might sound crazy what I'm 'bout to say'' 
''Summer, she's here, you can take a break'' 
''Out on a field or in a hackerspace'' 
''Up in the air, yeah we don't care, hacking anyway'' 

:''(Because we're hacking)'' 
:''Hack along if you feel like a room without a roof'' 
:''(Because we're hacking)'' 
:''Hack along if you feel that hacking brings out the truth'' 
:''(Because we're hacking)'' 
:''Hack along if you know what hacking means to you'' 
:''(Because we're hacking)'' 
:''Hack along if you feel that that's what you wanna do'' 

''Here come bad news, sayin': you can't do that'' 
''Gimme all you got, don't hold back'' 
''You should prob'ly know, whatever you say'' 
''No offence to you: we're hacking anyway'' 

:''[chorus]'' 

''(Hacking)'' 
''Bring me down'' 
''Can't nothing'' 
''Bring me down'' 
''My leetness's too high'' 
''Bring me down'' 
''Can't nothing'' 
''Bring me down'' 
''I said (let me tell you now)'' 
''Bring me down'' 
''Can't nothing'' 
''Bring me down'' 
''My leetness's too high'' 
''Bring me down'' 
''Can't nothing'' 
''Bring me down'' 
''I said'' 

:''[chorus 2x]''

=== Sixteen tents (another SHA2017 filk song) ===

That was fun! Let's do another one... here we go.

''Some people say that camps are built on mud'' 
''I say the best camps are built on blood'' 
''Camps are built on sweat and tears'' 
''and the awesome power of the volunteers.'' 

:''You build sixteen tents and what do you gain?'' 
:''A vegetarian dinner and a badge with your name'' 
:''If you don't get it then let me explain'' 
:''I sold my soul to the Engelsysteem.'' 

''Got up one morning, after too little rest'' 
''Put on my working boots and safety vest'' 
''Strolled up to Heaven and what did I see'' 
''A great big breakfast all set out for me'' 

:''[chorus]''

''So if you see me coming, better step aside'' 
''My feet are killing me, my brain is fried'' 
''Got a to-do list that's a meter long'' 
''So let me grab a Mate and move along.'' 

:''[chorus 2x]''

Feedback

2017-08-22T20:17:22Z

Moem: /* Decoration */

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== General / Overall ==
* Example feedback -- [[User:Sha2017.org-stitch|Sha2017.org-stitch]] ([[User talk:Sha2017.org-stitch|talk]])
* Otter! -- [[User:JanHenrik]]
* a great event, much fun and much to experience and learn, thank you everybody! :) --[[User:Raipat]]
* Been there, had fun! --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* No music after 2am was kind of bad joke --[[User:Nameofuser]]
:* We had permit limitations and SHA is not a rave party --[[User:Attilla]]
::* Why not? It's a little worrying that a few people seem to have the view that a hacker camp should not *also* be a party. It's not just a conference, people come to these events with the intention of having a party as well as getting involved with the activities and learning new stuff. Why can't we have both? --[[User:Msil]]
* I really liked that the camp was silent when I went to bed. I understand that some people would rather party with loud music all night long, but there are many other events for that audience and I'm glad that this hacker conference didn't feel the need to try to be a music festival. Let's party 16 hours a day and keep the 8 hours of silence for sleeping. --[[User:Sha2017.org-juerd|Sha2017.org-juerd]] ([[User talk:Sha2017.org-juerd|talk]])
* The Dutch camp orga seems to not understand chaos. There is no point in trying to defeat chaos, you have to build your structure around it. This often failed. Anyway, overall I had a good experience. --[[User:BenjaminWand]]
* Had a nice time & met new interesting people, thanks to the orga for making SHA2017 happen! [[User:BjornW|BjornW]]
* As an organizer, I think this event was great for almost all of the orga. It was a lot of hard work, it was a stressful challenge at times, and it was all worth it. I think that much of the damage from the mistakes made at OHM2013 (summary: OHM was a great event for visitors but demanded too much from the orga) is now repaired in our community. I'm looking forward to the next edition! --[[User:Sha2017.org-juerd|Sha2017.org-juerd]] ([[User talk:Sha2017.org-juerd|talk]])

== Projectleiding ==
* Coordinating such a large event is a big challenge, it was a hard job. --[[User:Thomascovenant]]
* When logistics entrance stopped working, volunteers who have been there for hours were freezing without instructions. After that two CCC people from Team Villages took over, without consultation, because there was no one else. --[[User:Thomascovenant]]
:* Unfortunately Parking and Logistical entrance was not good arranged and we're very grateful of the people who picked it up. We've tried our best to additionally help the volunteers there, but that should indeed have been done from the beginning. Major improvement point for the next time. --[[User:Attilla]]
* Many thanks to Attila for taking care of orders and money management. --[[User:Thomascovenant]]
* Although PL did a wonderful job of fixing hundreds of ad-hoc issues, I believe the hands-on approach stood in the way of actual management. Some major oversights (such as parking and entrances) might have been avoided if team Projectleiding was still focused on everyone's Sanity instead of caught up in all the small stuff. On the other hand, it worked out and it was still better than the previous events! --[[User:Sha2017.org-juerd|Sha2017.org-juerd]] ([[User talk:Sha2017.org-juerd|talk]])

== Bar ==

* Prices at the Bar felt like a ripoff to me - eg. EUR 1.50 for a candy bar. There are gas stations that sell them for less. :( -- [[User:Mkie|Mkie]] ([[User talk:Mkie|talk]])
* Premade Tschunk and at some point without ice while the drink itself was on the more expensive side. --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* No fruit Juice only soda stuff, so for abstemious the only solution was Pepsi and 7-up --[[User:Mte90]]
** There were apple juice/orange juice (and a 3rd one i don't remember, no one asked for it during my shifts) :) -- [[User:Bigshot|Bigshot]] ([[User talk:Bigshot|talk]])
* 2 "beers" on tap. I understand it has to make a profit, but was expensive - even for carbonated drinks. Didn't use it that much. --[[User:Guffer]]

== Cohesion ==
* I heard a lot of good things about the silent lounge! Several friends enjoyed their time there, a great idea.
* Shouldn't happen: Team Cohesion member exploding at angels of the Ticket tent since they came at closing time. Frustration is understandable, but this is not the team to practice your social skills.
* E-mailed about something, got feedback in person. For me, it took first-hand experience to understand why this team is useful and not "just" a part of the security team. --[[User:Sha2017.org-juerd|Sha2017.org-juerd]] ([[User talk:Sha2017.org-juerd|talk]])

== Content ==
* Tardis room not explained on Frab so I didn't done 2 talks in the schedule --[[User:Mte90]]
* Very good and a good range of subjects. There was some overlap of talks --[[User:Guffer]]
* Opening ceremony was a bit boring and too focused around Stitch in the beginning

== Content/Heralds ==
== Content/Speakerdesk ==
== Decoration ==
* Sort of worked. The amount of time spent on decorating the portacabins might have been better spent on more site decoration --[[User:Guffer]]
:* Not sure what you mean. Team Deco did not decorate any portacabins. -- [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])
::* Maybe they're referring to the wooden cladding of the permanent portacabins that the scouts call "Fort Zeewolde". These were not built by SHA, we were just happy that the ugliness of the old cabins was properly hidden... The rented Boels portacabins for SHA were not decorated at all and were called an eyesore by some visitors. --[[User:Sha2017.org-juerd|Sha2017.org-juerd]] ([[User talk:Sha2017.org-juerd|talk]])
:::*That would be my guess too, but I wanted to ask rather than guess. :-) -- [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])
* I loved the gate and lights leading to it. I know how much group effort went into DECO during those awesome Hack42 weekends. Thank you for the great job you've done.

== Design ==
* I was happy to have colours to work with on the terrain, and it seems that many visitors enjoyed playing with them, too. -- [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])

== Family Village ==
*I was not part of the Family Village, but visited it multiple times with my daughter. This was my sixth time at the Dutch Hackercamps starting with HIP97 and the Family Village this time at SHA2017 outdid all other editions: a bouncy castle, 'ballenbak' and 2 tents with content tailored to kids. Awesome! Compliments to the Family Village orga team for making this a great experience for kids! -- [[User:BjornW|BjornW]]
*There were also sailing lessons for kids in the harbor (as well as grown up kids)... -- [[User:Andi2|Andi2]] ([[User talk:Andi2|talk]])
*I was really not happy with the family village deciding to spend budget on an 'owl show' for the kids. It was essentially a circus act featuring captive animals. I fail to see what this had to do with SHA in any way (zero hack value), the animals themselves were chained up and placed in boxes - they definitely did not look too happy, and often attempted to fly away when a few children got too close. I really don't want to see anything like that again at any future events. --[[User:Msil]]
:* I second the previous point. Cruelty to animals is not something I want to see at the camp (keeping wild birds chained in small boxes is animal lover action in the same way as kidnappers and serial killers are human lovers).
* I liked the train going around terrain, Family Village team doing so much on a tight schedule.
* Special thanks to young and very young hackers who helped with Entrance. You were awesome!

== Finance/coins/payments ==

* I did not like the way purchases at Bar/Foodcourt were handled, by buying coins. Especially the no-refund policy. (this was added by User [[User:Derchris|Derchris]] but not properly signed)
* The coin thingy felt like a bit of a ripoff, as you would always have some useless plastic coins left over at the end. And the coin machines always spat out the coins on the floor, despite the attempted fixes with tape - it seemed they were designed by people who have never designed such a thing before. -- [[User:PoempelFox|PoempelFox]] ([[User talk:PoempelFox|talk]])
* The plastic coins are so unbelievable senseless. Don't we have this €-thing within the EU to exchange goods / services against cash already? --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* No prices for the coins online in advance of the event, No prices for the food / drink items online. --[[User:CliffAlbert]]
* Coins are a pain in the backside. Also no indication as to which type of overseas cards would work. Visa/Mastercard didn't work, but Visa Debit did. World has gone contactless. Understand it is an issue in getting the money from the card companies. Cash still needs to be available for those who don't have the euro as their local currency. No way to get your money back for unspent coins. --[[User:Guffer]]
* Plastic coins also very susceptible to being 3D printed... --[[User:Guffer]]
* Did not buy any coins because I thought most of the things were overpriced, and I didn't want to walk around with lots of coins. Having € 2 and € 5 coins in addition to the € 1 coins would have helped a little, but I'd really like to explore the possibility of lower prices and contactless/NFC payments next time, with coins, an event debit card, or even cash as a backup for those who value privacy over ease of use. --[[User:Sha2017.org-juerd|Sha2017.org-juerd]] ([[User talk:Sha2017.org-juerd|talk]])

== Foodcourt ==

* While the food at the food court was good, there was not nearly enough choice. Especially if you wanted a main meal to eat and not just some sweets, your choice was "a burger", "fries", "noodles from a wok" or "vegan stuff trying to imitate meat". That really isn't a lot to get repleted, and at 2 meals a day you repeat everything multiple times. Also, at least on the first two days the food court was completely overwhelmed by the demand, the queues were endless, you'd stand in line for an hour. And they opened too late - at 14:00 on day 1, only the 'holy crepe' was open, nothing else. Did you not expect people to eat on the first day?! -- [[User:PoempelFox|PoempelFox]] ([[User talk:PoempelFox|talk]])
* I wasn't so pleased with food court. The food was ok, but just ok while only delivering small amounts of food seemed like a ripoff for me. Disclosure: I'm spoiled by the food from the angel kitchen :) --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* Great improvement from OHM2013 :) -- [[User:Bigshot|Bigshot]] ([[User talk:Bigshot|talk]])
* Being dependent on the food court would have meant starving from both a lack of nutritional value (portions way too small, not enough choice for 5 days, more snacks than meals, not enough vegetarian options) as well as a lack of funds (7,50 for a small burger!?). Thanks to Millyway's, Pizza Village, home-cooking and Italian Embassy disaster was averted and I survived ;). Maybe next time a system similar to the Angel kitchen could be setup for the whole camp? -- [[User:BjornW|BjornW]]
:* Or you could have volunteered and gotten awesome, abundant food at no cost ;-) I don't think feeding 3500 people from one kitchen is feasible; kitchens scale, but they don't scale THAT much. -- [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])
* Very limited selection and expensive. "Cook like your mom" was good. --[[User:Guffer]]
* Stock up at a supermarket before going to the camp. Fruits, salads, freshly baked bread, yoghurt, bottles of juice and long-storage milk will last 3-4 days without a fridge. The volunteer/orga kitchen was excellent, with buffet warm meals, but you'd need to volunteer to get that. -- [[User:Vadim Makarov|Vadim Makarov]] ([[User talk:Vadim Makarov|talk]])

== Infodesk / wiki ==
* Worked well --[[User:Guffer]]
* Excellent job, very helpful, positive and relaxed. Also people inside the Team supporting each other.

== Logistics (shuttle, waste) ==

* The ability to post packages to the event was invaluable. I was able to repair diesel bike and go home. --[[User:Russell|Russell]] ([[User talk:Russell|talk]])
* Luggage shuttle, so useful, very helping, so wow! --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* No bottle drop points :( --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* Waste bins at campsite areas nowhere near big enough, consider using 1100litre eurobins in the camping areas, else volunteers are forever picking up bags from the ground. More glass recycling needed -- [[User:Sha2017.org-will-h|Sha2017.org-will-h]] ([[User talk:Sha2017.org-will-h|talk]])
** Bigger bins would have caused issues in the emptying of them on a daily basis (impossible to hoist them into a golf cart and the walking distance was enormous. Wouldn't fit the trash compactor either). Most days we were all right and only minor buildup occured. We didn't anticipate the holy shit storm on teardown day. Did not see that people just dump crap on the floor because they didn't bring any binbags. Also: villages could have helped out with this, we even provided a few with extra binliners. Some did excellent and helped out, others did not. Need to work on that. Agree on the glass and trash separation. That was my bad, completely forgot to arrange more glass bins. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])
* As noted, bins seemed to be very random at being emptied. As suggested earlier, perhaps the larger eurobins? --[[User:Guffer]]
* Getting stuff on site using the gold cart and trailers was hit and miss. If you have cars arriving in the car park, the buggies could have waited and taken lots of people stuff at once. Not clearly signed or informed of how that process worked. --[[User:Guffer]]
* Given that the luggage shuttle was an afterthought and went completely unorganized (no team lead, no shift handoffs), it went surprisingly well. As others have suggested, some weatherproof canopies for the luggage points would be a good addition for next time. Also, two of these golfcarts with trailers wasn't enough during peaks, which is a clear indication that this service was used a lot! --[[User:Sha2017.org-juerd|Sha2017.org-juerd]] ([[User talk:Sha2017.org-juerd|talk]])

== Music Lounge ==
* Expanses for silent Headphone parties can be spared. --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* Have it a bit further away to keep the noise away from interfering with the talks going on in the two nearby areas --[[User:Guffer]]
== Silent Lounge ==
* Having helped at the bar i can say that there was a problem with people asking for a beer (or something else) loudly from outside or ignoring the "no-shoe" sign. -- [[User:Bigshot|Bigshot]] ([[User talk:Bigshot|talk]])
* Sort of worked. --[[User:Guffer]]
* Really liked it when there were people chatting silently. Didn't really like it when it turned into a completely silent lounge, as I wanted a silent place to chat with friends (which we found at the harbour). The term "silent" seems to be ambiguous. --[[User:Sha2017.org-juerd|Sha2017.org-juerd]] ([[User talk:Sha2017.org-juerd|talk]])

== NOC / Network ==
* I wish my ISP would have the same quality --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* Connectivity was good most of the time. 2.4Gig mostly worked. Would have been nice if the NOC had let us know about the IPv6 issues at the start rather than just "we've fixed it" as it caused me various problems to start with. --[[User:Guffer]]

== POC / Dect / Fieldphones ==
* worked very well --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* I concur. I had no issues using my Dect. Gerne mal wieder! -- [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])
* imho easily the most fun people of SHA2017. When DECT spot was closed, some people came by POC tent and help was provided
* Field phones worked great, I will fondly remember night call from Silent Disco to Pizza Village

== Power ==
* Was reliable, but not enough outlets. Some areas had nothing attached. Could they not have moved the boxes and just joined the cables together? D Some Ceeform 16A would have made it easier for people who have leads where we use them a lot for camping. --[[User:Guffer]]
* If you are going to kill the power at 6PM the night before people have to leave please tell them. We only knew due to having people around from the Orga. Was insulting to have the generator running but no cables left out to power the harbor, not to mention the search light still going. --[[User:Guffer]]
** Second this, we were leaving the next day back to Spain and it wasn't much fun tearing the tent down w/o light at night :( -- [[User:n0p]]

== Alt.pwr ==
== Productiehuis / recordings / track tents / AV / VOC ==
* C3VOC did a good job as always. --[[User:Guffer]]
* Video walls worked well, although some did get upset at times and have tearing issues. Would be nice if we could get the slides of presentations as well. --[[User:Guffer]]
* As an organizer who hasn't visited any talks (except badge and closing) during the event, I'm incredibly happy with the great recordings. --[[User:Sha2017.org-juerd|Sha2017.org-juerd]] ([[User talk:Sha2017.org-juerd|talk]])
* In some tents (don't recall which) the videowall was too low and you could not see half of the screen [[User:n0p]]

== Safety / stewards / first aid / Fire Marshalls ==
* Where to start on this? You seriously have to look at the Health and Safety. You had people driving heavy plant during the time that visitors were on site during the time that people were allowed on site and also tear down with no banks(wo)men. Driving with loads on their forks and couldn't see in front. Almost all the drivers of the golf buggies were mental (worse than the italians in Rome...) even worse on the main terrain - how anyone was not seriously hurt I don't know. Yes, bomb around, but not where people, especially children are. And no lights. --[[User:Guffer]]
** I heard of one foot being run over by a golf cart (without serious consequences, but still). [[User:LeonH|LeonH]] ([[User talk:LeonH|talk]]) 13:10, 15 August 2017 (CEST)
** In the defense of those driving golf karts and forklifts: Everyone who wanted to use a motorized vehicle from Logistics had to show a valid drivers licence, even those with forklifts. Logistics was very strict in that policy. -- [[User:mr_seeker|mr_seeker]] ([[User talk:mr_seeker|talk]])
* Site lighting was poor. WE had festoon on the ground from the car park to the main gate. Didn't illuminate it that well and there were large rock lumps on the path. Then no lighting from the main gate taking you in to camp. Main access paths had no lighting, and with the Dutch loving their bikes, zooming past in the dark with no lights - not good considering the amount of booze being consumed. The lighting was then torn out on the Tuesday evening when people were still leaving at night --[[User:Guffer]]
* There was an emergency message received by Team Ticket which required fast response. I called Safety on the radio three times within an hour, received an ack, someone was sent to our tent, no one came. I gave up, sorted it out. Luckily we had zero security incidents at the entrance. [[User:Thomascovenant|Thomascovenant]]

== Sysadmin / bofh ==
* There were sysadmins? I didn't notice, therefore they did a very good job! --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* Sysadmin for Volunteer System not only kept it running, but spent time by Volunteer Desk giving advice. Well done!
* It looks like this time we're keeping the wiki at least until the next event. Thanks! --[[User:Sha2017.org-juerd|Sha2017.org-juerd]] ([[User talk:Sha2017.org-juerd|talk]])

== Terrain ==

* Should another event occour on this field, the fields on the harbour-side of the dyke should all be powered to allow use. Because they have a ground where water quickly drains, so they never flooded or got overly muddy, and they were well protected from the wind. Many people realized that, and Snowdon field was completely packed with sleeping tents. If Zuse had had power and network infrastructure, it would probably have been well used as well. -- [[User:PoempelFox|PoempelFox]] ([[User talk:PoempelFox|talk]])
** You should have come to Engelbart, which had only about 10 people camping but network through and power at south end. Having a sprawling camp is good for those who need quieteness for sleep. -- [[User:Vadim Makarov|Vadim Makarov]] ([[User talk:Vadim Makarov|talk]])
* Assigning explicit maximum noise ratings for fields made this event way more enjoyable than the last ones -- [[User:Sprawl|Sprawl]] ([[User talk:Sprawl|talk]])
* the terrain was good but maybe the camp was a bit too "diluted", if the next event will occour in the same terrain it can be a nice idea to close some fields. -- [[User:Bigshot|Bigshot]] ([[User talk:Bigshot|talk]])
* Better water management would make a lot of difference, but I understand that is not easy or cheap. I liked that the camp was so spread out over different fields so one could easily choose more peace and quiet; I'd have hated to be in a noisier area. Please don't pack us into a smaller number of fields! -- [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])
** On the case of water management: I noticed during build-up that they were repairing the water pump. Another solution: Walking plates on high-traffic areas, to prevent them from becoming a soggy mess. -- [[User:mr_seeker|mr_seeker]] ([[User talk:mr_seeker|talk]])
* Camp was over an area a bit too large - could have been condensed down a bit. Quiet areas were a winner for those that wanted it. Its a hack camp, not a techno rave camp. Know issues with the fields being water locked not too much of an issue during the event. Could have been a bigger problem. --[[User:Guffer]]
* Car parking worked well. Just a very long walk for some people from the car park back to their village. --[[User:Guffer]]
* Site design was not bad. The bar area didnt make much noise at night except for the "music lounge" and I use that term loosely. Could it not have gone the other side of the bar further away from the quiet areas and the talk tents? --[[User:Guffer]]
* Scoutinglandgoed is almost perfect for an outdoor hacker conference. As much as I like the traditions of our event, I kind of hope that for the first time, we will re-use a site. --[[User:Sha2017.org-juerd|Sha2017.org-juerd]] ([[User talk:Sha2017.org-juerd|talk]])
* Fortunately, we had good weather during the event itself. However, it would have been incredibly muddy if it had rained as much during the event, as during the buildup. I think we should have had many more wooden walkways in the main event area. --[[User:Sha2017.org-juerd|Sha2017.org-juerd]] ([[User talk:Sha2017.org-juerd|talk]])

== Ticket and Entrance ==
* See note in the safety area about this --[[User:Guffer]]
* Young hackers did a great job as angels
== Villages ==
* Worked well. Having some of the reserved areas marked out worked. However, those in campers, unless you turned up on day -2 you couldn't get near to your village area. Needed more areas but perhaps with less vehicles together. --[[User:Guffer]]
* Thanks to ccc Village members who took over logistics entrance coordination in addition to their own Village duties. When everything failed and volunteers were scarce or left without instructions etc., you took over and supported them and each other. Doing it together is something that CCC has a good hang of and your experience was very valuable. "Support your people" <3
== Volunteering / Angels ==
* The food was EXTRA ORDINARY! Kudos to the kitchen crew; please never ever change anything. The food was twice warm meal, it was tasty, it had at several dishes, it was complex to tease one, and I was actually having a full stomach every time and that means something with my bottom less stomach -- [[User:Pcdog|Pcdog]] ([[User talk:Pcdog|talk]])
** I liked the food too. The cooking was done by "Mecklenburger". You can meet them at different festivals and the bigger events done by CCC. They will be at 34c3 in Leipzig for sure. --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* I recommend to put of a sign in the walk way towards the fields and main area to sign up as Angel in the Angel system. This is to have a bigger traction in the beginning of the event. --[[User:Sha2017.org-vision]]
* For most of my shifts (even the money handling and/or more complex ones) I never met the person in charge / a coordinator and therefore got different or no instructions.
* At some point even Heaven was overtaken by volunteers without proper instruction / planning. They did a very good job (thanks for the after midnight coffee delivery!), but at the same moment it felt like the organizers of SHA2017 had lost control over quite big parts of the event. --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* All the angels really were angels. Some of them even working 8+ hours a day beside they had payed >200€ for an ticket! --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* Having only one disinfection machine (and no dishwasher) in the angle kitchen was kind of a bad joke. Delivering over thousands meals every day needs a little up scaling for the cleaning capabilities too ;) --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* Angels make the event. Bribery of food works. Many thanks to them. --[[User:Guffer]]
* Thank you, all angels! --[[User:Sha2017.org-juerd|Sha2017.org-juerd]] ([[User talk:Sha2017.org-juerd|talk]])

== Toilets/Showers ==
* These were good! Always clean. Too much queueing on the toilets/showers by the harbour (Hopper/Snowden) and Orga, though; this area needs more in future, I was frequently going to other areas of the camp to use facilities. -- [[User:Sha2017.org-will-h|Sha2017.org-will-h]] ([[User talk:Sha2017.org-will-h|talk]])
* Showers variable. The permanent site showers couldn't keep up with the hot water especially in Hopper. The bar needed more toilets in a closer proximity to it. Facilities seemed to be cleaned. Always seems to be a supply of wiping rag. --[[User:Guffer]]
== Miscellaneous ==

* Field access after the event was painful especially for those who had a lot of kit to get out. While I understand limiting the vehicles on site - after having several near misses with the golf carts it was ironic limiting the movement of vehicles to that degree. Perhaps send vehicles in a line with a few vehicles going to the same area to get the throughput. Was causing issues in the logistics car park with lorries not being able to turn properly. --[[User:Guffer]]
* Some more observations regarding departure & car access after the event from [[User:LeonH|LeonH]] ([[User talk:LeonH|talk]]) 13:07, 15 August 2017 (CEST). The general theme that I see here is the inability to adapt rules and plans set in advance to the circumstances. I was not part of the team, so some of my observations and suggestions may be unfair or unwarranted. Please excuse my ignorance in advance.
** On the 8th rain was predicted for around 14:00, so many villages were busy tearing down from 12:00 onwards. Yet cars were only allowed starting 17:00. I believe the rules set in advance should have been adapted to the circumstances in this case. I brought this to the attention of Teardown Management & Traffic teams, but I feel my suggestion was rejected without fully considering the discontent this would cause to hundreds of visitors. --[[User:LeonH]]
** As a consequence of the restricted car access, luggage shuttles were hopelessly overloaded that afternoon (with people waiting in the rain next to their luggage). I believe there was at least one extra trailer that could have been deployed as a shuttle. --[[User:LeonH]]
** The area on the parking were the shuttles dropped luggage was not sheltered and exposed to rain.--[[User:LeonH]]
** On the 8th in the afternoon and on the 9th, there was often a long queue of cars at the entrance waiting to get onto the field (our village had to wait ~1h) while the parking situation on the field was very relaxed. I feel the pragmatic thing to do in this case would have been to just maximize the number of cars parking on the field without causing chaos. I think urging villages to pack up before driving their car onto the field was a good idea to maximize throughput. --[[User:LeonH]]
** Having bicycle angels accompany cars on the field seemed like a nice idea, but didn't feel very useful in practice. People drive in cities every day without running people over. Inconsiderate people that wanted to drive onto the grass did so anyway, regardless of people telling them over and over not to. --[[User:LeonH]]

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2017-08-21T16:29:49Z

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* Otter! -- [[User:JanHenrik]]
* a great event, much fun and much to experience and learn, thank you everybody! :) --[[User:Raipat]]
* Been there, had fun! --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* No music after 2am was kind of bad joke --[[User:Nameofuser]]
:* We had permit limitations and SHA is not a rave party --[[User:Attilla]]
::* Why not? It's a little worrying that a few people seem to have the view that a hacker camp should not *also* be a party. It's not just a conference, people come to these events with the intention of having a party as well as getting involved with the activities and learning new stuff. Why can't we have both? --[[User:Msil]]
* The Dutch camp orga seems to not understand chaos. There is no point in trying to defeat chaos, you have to build your structure around it. This often failed. Anyway, overall I had a good experience. --[[User:BenjaminWand]]
* Had a nice time & met new interesting people, thanks to the orga for making SHA2017 happen! [[User:BjornW|BjornW]]

== Projectleiding ==
* Coordinating such a large event is a big challenge, it was a hard job. --[[User:Thomascovenant]]
* When logistics entrance stopped working, volunteers who have been there for hours were freezing without instructions. After that two CCC people from Team Villages took over, without consultation, because there was no one else. --[[User:Thomascovenant]]
:* Unfortunately Parking and Logistical entrance was not good arranged and we're very grateful of the people who picked it up. We've tried our best to additionally help the volunteers there, but that should indeed have been done from the beginning. Major improvement point for the next time. --[[User:Attilla]]
* Many thanks to Attila for taking care of orders and money management. --[[User:Thomascovenant]]

== Bar ==

* Prices at the Bar felt like a ripoff to me - eg. EUR 1.50 for a candy bar. There are gas stations that sell them for less. :( -- [[User:Mkie|Mkie]] ([[User talk:Mkie|talk]])
* Premade Tschunk and at some point without ice while the drink itself was on the more expensive side. --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* No fruit Juice only soda stuff, so for abstemious the only solution was Pepsi and 7-up --[[User:Mte90]]
** There were apple juice/orange juice (and a 3rd one i don't remember, no one asked for it during my shifts) :) -- [[User:Bigshot|Bigshot]] ([[User talk:Bigshot|talk]])
* 2 "beers" on tap. I understand it has to make a profit, but was expensive - even for carbonated drinks. Didn't use it that much. --[[User:Guffer]]

== Cohesion ==
* I heard a lot of good things about the silent lounge! Several friends enjoyed their time there, a great idea.
* Shouldn't happen: Team Cohesion member exploding at angels of the Ticket tent since they came at closing time. Frustration is understandable, but this is not the team to practice your social skills.

== Content ==
* Tardis room not explained on Frab so I didn't done 2 talks in the schedule --[[User:Mte90]]
* Very good and a good range of subjects. There was some overlap of talks --[[User:Guffer]]
* Opening ceremony was a bit boring and too focused around Stitch in the beginning

== Content/Heralds ==
== Content/Speakerdesk ==
== Decoration ==
* Sort of worked. The amount of time spent on decorating the portacabins might have been better spent on more site decoration --[[User:Guffer]]
:* Not sure what you mean. Team Deco did not decorate any portacabins. -- [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])

* I loved the gate and lights leading to it. I know how much group effort went into DECO during those awesome Hack42 weekends. Thank you for the great job you've done.

== Design ==
* I was happy to have colours to work with on the terrain, and it seems that many visitors enjoyed playing with them, too. -- [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])

== Family Village ==
*I was not part of the Family Village, but visited it multiple times with my daughter. This was my sixth time at the Dutch Hackercamps starting with HIP97 and the Family Village this time at SHA2017 outdid all other editions: a bouncy castle, 'ballenbak' and 2 tents with content tailored to kids. Awesome! Compliments to the Family Village orga team for making this a great experience for kids! -- [[User:BjornW|BjornW]]
*There were also sailing lessons for kids in the harbor (as well as grown up kids)... -- [[User:Andi2|Andi2]] ([[User talk:Andi2|talk]])
*I was really not happy with the family village deciding to spend budget on an 'owl show' for the kids. It was essentially a circus act featuring captive animals. I fail to see what this had to do with SHA in any way (zero hack value), the animals themselves were chained up and placed in boxes - they definitely did not look too happy, and often attempted to fly away when a few children got too close. I really don't want to see anything like that again at any future events. --[[User:Msil]]
:* I second the previous point. Cruelty to animals is not something I want to see at the camp (keeping wild birds chained in small boxes is animal lover action in the same way as kidnappers and serial killers are human lovers).
* I liked the train going around terrain, Family Village team doing so much on a tight schedule.
* Special thanks to young and very young hackers who helped with Entrance. You were awesome!

== Finance/coins/payments ==

* I did not like the way purchases at Bar/Foodcourt were handled, by buying coins. Especially the no-refund policy. (this was added by User [[User:Derchris|Derchris]] but not properly signed)
* The coin thingy felt like a bit of a ripoff, as you would always have some useless plastic coins left over at the end. And the coin machines always spat out the coins on the floor, despite the attempted fixes with tape - it seemed they were designed by people who have never designed such a thing before. -- [[User:PoempelFox|PoempelFox]] ([[User talk:PoempelFox|talk]])
* The plastic coins are so unbelievable senseless. Don't we have this €-thing within the EU to exchange goods / services against cash already? --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* No prices for the coins online in advance of the event, No prices for the food / drink items online. --[[User:CliffAlbert]]
* Coins are a pain in the backside. Also no indication as to which type of overseas cards would work. Visa/Mastercard didn't work, but Visa Debit did. World has gone contactless. Understand it is an issue in getting the money from the card companies. Cash still needs to be available for those who don't have the euro as their local currency. No way to get your money back for unspent coins. --[[User:Guffer]]
* Plastic coins also very susceptible to being 3D printed... --[[User:Guffer]]

== Foodcourt ==

* While the food at the food court was good, there was not nearly enough choice. Especially if you wanted a main meal to eat and not just some sweets, your choice was "a burger", "fries", "noodles from a wok" or "vegan stuff trying to imitate meat". That really isn't a lot to get repleted, and at 2 meals a day you repeat everything multiple times. Also, at least on the first two days the food court was completely overwhelmed by the demand, the queues were endless, you'd stand in line for an hour. And they opened too late - at 14:00 on day 1, only the 'holy crepe' was open, nothing else. Did you not expect people to eat on the first day?! -- [[User:PoempelFox|PoempelFox]] ([[User talk:PoempelFox|talk]])
* I wasn't so pleased with food court. The food was ok, but just ok while only delivering small amounts of food seemed like a ripoff for me. Disclosure: I'm spoiled by the food from the angel kitchen :) --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* Great improvement from OHM2013 :) -- [[User:Bigshot|Bigshot]] ([[User talk:Bigshot|talk]])
* Being dependent on the food court would have meant starving from both a lack of nutritional value (portions way too small, not enough choice for 5 days, more snacks than meals, not enough vegetarian options) as well as a lack of funds (7,50 for a small burger!?). Thanks to Millyway's, Pizza Village, home-cooking and Italian Embassy disaster was averted and I survived ;). Maybe next time a system similar to the Angel kitchen could be setup for the whole camp? -- [[User:BjornW|BjornW]]
:* Or you could have volunteered and gotten awesome, abundant food at no cost ;-) I don't think feeding 3500 people from one kitchen is feasible; kitchens scale, but they don't scale THAT much. -- [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])
* Very limited selection and expensive. "Cook like your mom" was good. --[[User:Guffer]]
* Stock up at a supermarket before going to the camp. Fruits, salads, freshly baked bread, yoghurt, bottles of juice and long-storage milk will last 3-4 days without a fridge. The volunteer/orga kitchen was excellent, with buffet warm meals, but you'd need to volunteer to get that. -- [[User:Vadim Makarov|Vadim Makarov]] ([[User talk:Vadim Makarov|talk]])

== Infodesk / wiki ==
* Worked well --[[User:Guffer]]
* Excellent job, very helpful, positive and relaxed. Also people inside the Team supporting each other.

== Logistics (shuttle, waste) ==

* The ability to post packages to the event was invaluable. I was able to repair diesel bike and go home. --[[User:Russell|Russell]] ([[User talk:Russell|talk]])
* Luggage shuttle, so useful, very helping, so wow! --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* No bottle drop points :( --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* Waste bins at campsite areas nowhere near big enough, consider using 1100litre eurobins in the camping areas, else volunteers are forever picking up bags from the ground. More glass recycling needed -- [[User:Sha2017.org-will-h|Sha2017.org-will-h]] ([[User talk:Sha2017.org-will-h|talk]])
** Bigger bins would have caused issues in the emptying of them on a daily basis (impossible to hoist them into a golf cart and the walking distance was enormous. Wouldn't fit the trash compactor either). Most days we were all right and only minor buildup occured. We didn't anticipate the holy shit storm on teardown day. Did not see that people just dump crap on the floor because they didn't bring any binbags. Also: villages could have helped out with this, we even provided a few with extra binliners. Some did excellent and helped out, others did not. I see a correlation between the loudness of the village and the mess they leave behind. The Geraffel/Chaos West clusters were the center of the waste shit storm. Pizza Village and Milliways second place. Thanks for that. Agree on the glass and trash separation. That was my bad, completely forgot to arrange more glass bins. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])
* As noted, bins seemed to be very random at being emptied. As suggested earlier, perhaps the larger eurobins? --[[User:Guffer]]
* Getting stuff on site using the gold cart and trailers was hit and miss. If you have cars arriving in the car park, the buggies could have waited and taken lots of people stuff at once. Not clearly signed or informed of how that process worked. --[[User:Guffer]]

== Music Lounge ==
* Expanses for silent Headphone parties can be spared. --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* Have it a bit further away to keep the noise away from interfering with the talks going on in the two nearby areas --[[User:Guffer]]
== Silent Lounge ==
* Having helped at the bar i can say that there was a problem with people asking for a beer (or something else) loudly from outside or ignoring the "no-shoe" sign. -- [[User:Bigshot|Bigshot]] ([[User talk:Bigshot|talk]])
* Sort of worked. --[[User:Guffer]]
== NOC / Network ==
* I wish my ISP would have the same quality --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* Connectivity was good most of the time. 2.4Gig mostly worked. Would have been nice if the NOC had let us know about the IPv6 issues at the start rather than just "we've fixed it" as it caused me various problems to start with. --[[User:Guffer]]

== POC / Dect / Fieldphones ==
* worked very well --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* I concur. I had no issues using my Dect. Gerne mal wieder! -- [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])
* imho easily the most fun people of SHA2017. When DECT spot was closed, some people came by POC tent and help was provided
* Field phones worked great, I will fondly remember night call from Silent Disco to Pizza Village

== Power ==
* Was reliable, but not enough outlets. Some areas had nothing attached. Could they not have moved the boxes and just joined the cables together? D Some Ceeform 16A would have made it easier for people who have leads where we use them a lot for camping. --[[User:Guffer]]
* If you are going to kill the power at 6PM the night before people have to leave please tell them. We only knew due to having people around from the Orga. Was insulting to have the generator running but no cables left out to power the harbor, not to mention the search light still going. --[[User:Guffer]]

== Alt.pwr ==
== Productiehuis / recordings / track tents / AV / VOC ==
* C3VOC did a good job as always. --[[User:Guffer]]
* Video walls worked well, although some did get upset at times and have tearing issues. Would be nice if we could get the slides of presentations as well. --[[User:Guffer]]

== Safety / stewards / first aid / Fire Marshalls ==
* Where to start on this? You seriously have to look at the Health and Safety. You had people driving heavy plant during the time that visitors were on site during the time that people were allowed on site and also tear down with no banks(wo)men. Driving with loads on their forks and couldn't see in front. Almost all the drivers of the golf buggies were mental (worse than the italians in Rome...) even worse on the main terrain - how anyone was not seriously hurt I don't know. Yes, bomb around, but not where people, especially children are. And no lights. --[[User:Guffer]]
** I heard of one foot being run over by a golf cart (without serious consequences, but still). [[User:LeonH|LeonH]] ([[User talk:LeonH|talk]]) 13:10, 15 August 2017 (CEST)
** In the defense of those driving golf karts and forklifts: Everyone who wanted to use a motorized vehicle from Logistics had to show a valid drivers licence, even those with forklifts. Logistics was very strict in that policy. -- [[User:mr_seeker|mr_seeker]] ([[User talk:mr_seeker|talk]])
* Site lighting was poor. WE had festoon on the ground from the car park to the main gate. Didn't illuminate it that well and there were large rock lumps on the path. Then no lighting from the main gate taking you in to camp. Main access paths had no lighting, and with the Dutch loving their bikes, zooming past in the dark with no lights - not good considering the amount of booze being consumed. The lighting was then torn out on the Tuesday evening when people were still leaving at night --[[User:Guffer]]
* There was an emergency message received by Team Ticket which required fast response. I called Safety on the radio three times within an hour, received an ack, someone was sent to our tent, no one came. I gave up, sorted it out. Luckily we had zero security incidents at the entrance. [[User:Thomascovenant|Thomascovenant]]

== Sysadmin / bofh ==
* There were sysadmins? I didn't notice, therefore they did a very good job! --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* Sysadmin for Volunteer System not only kept it running, but spent time by Volunteer Desk giving advice. Well done!

== Terrain ==

* Should another event occour on this field, the fields on the harbour-side of the dyke should all be powered to allow use. Because they have a ground where water quickly drains, so they never flooded or got overly muddy, and they were well protected from the wind. Many people realized that, and Snowdon field was completely packed with sleeping tents. If Zuse had had power and network infrastructure, it would probably have been well used as well. -- [[User:PoempelFox|PoempelFox]] ([[User talk:PoempelFox|talk]])
** You should have come to Engelbart, which had only about 10 people camping but network through and power at south end. Having a sprawling camp is good for those who need quieteness for sleep. -- [[User:Vadim Makarov|Vadim Makarov]] ([[User talk:Vadim Makarov|talk]])
* Assigning explicit maximum noise ratings for fields made this event way more enjoyable than the last ones -- [[User:Sprawl|Sprawl]] ([[User talk:Sprawl|talk]])
* the terrain was good but maybe the camp was a bit too "diluted", if the next event will occour in the same terrain it can be a nice idea to close some fields. -- [[User:Bigshot|Bigshot]] ([[User talk:Bigshot|talk]])
* Better water management would make a lot of difference, but I understand that is not easy or cheap. I liked that the camp was so spread out over different fields so one could easily choose more peace and quiet; I'd have hated to be in a noisier area. Please don't pack us into a smaller number of fields! -- [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])
** On the case of water management: I noticed during build-up that they were repairing the water pump. Another solution: Walking plates on high-traffic areas, to prevent them from becoming a soggy mess. -- [[User:mr_seeker|mr_seeker]] ([[User talk:mr_seeker|talk]])
* Camp was over an area a bit too large - could have been condensed down a bit. Quiet areas were a winner for those that wanted it. Its a hack camp, not a techno rave camp. Know issues with the fields being water locked not too much of an issue during the event. Could have been a bigger problem. --[[User:Guffer]]
* Car parking worked well. Just a very long walk for some people from the car park back to their village. --[[User:Guffer]]
* Site design was not bad. The bar area didnt make much noise at night except for the "music lounge" and I use that term loosely. Could it not have gone the other side of the bar further away from the quiet areas and the talk tents? --[[User:Guffer]]

== Ticket and Entrance ==
* See note in the safety area about this --[[User:Guffer]]
* Young hackers did a great job as angels
== Villages ==
* Worked well. Having some of the reserved areas marked out worked. However, those in campers, unless you turned up on day -2 you couldn't get near to your village area. Needed more areas but perhaps with less vehicles together. --[[User:Guffer]]
* Thanks to ccc Village members who took over logistics entrance coordination in addition to their own Village duties. When everything failed and volunteers were scarce or left without instructions etc., you took over and supported them and each other. Doing it together is something that CCC has a good hang of and your experience was very valuable. "Support your people" <3
== Volunteering / Angels ==
* The food was EXTRA ORDINARY! Kudos to the kitchen crew; please never ever change anything. The food was twice warm meal, it was tasty, it had at several dishes, it was complex to tease one, and I was actually having a full stomach every time and that means something with my bottom less stomach -- [[User:Pcdog|Pcdog]] ([[User talk:Pcdog|talk]])
** I liked the food too. The cooking was done by "Mecklenburger". You can meet them at different festivals and the bigger events done by CCC. They will be at 34c3 in Leipzig for sure. --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* I recommend to put of a sign in the walk way towards the fields and main area to sign up as Angel in the Angel system. This is to have a bigger traction in the beginning of the event. --[[User:Sha2017.org-vision]]
* For most of my shifts (even the money handling and/or more complex ones) I never met the person in charge / a coordinator and therefore got different or no instructions.
* At some point even Heaven was overtaken by volunteers without proper instruction / planning. They did a very good job (thanks for the after midnight coffee delivery!), but at the same moment it felt like the organizers of SHA2017 had lost control over quite big parts of the event. --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* All the angels really were angels. Some of them even working 8+ hours a day beside they had payed >200€ for an ticket! --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* Having only one disinfection machine (and no dishwasher) in the angle kitchen was kind of a bad joke. Delivering over thousands meals every day needs a little up scaling for the cleaning capabilities too ;) --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* Angels make the event. Bribery of food works. Many thanks to them. --[[User:Guffer]]

== Toilets/Showers ==
* These were good! Always clean. Too much queueing on the toilets/showers by the harbour (Hopper/Snowden) and Orga, though; this area needs more in future, I was frequently going to other areas of the camp to use facilities. -- [[User:Sha2017.org-will-h|Sha2017.org-will-h]] ([[User talk:Sha2017.org-will-h|talk]])
* Showers variable. The permanent site showers couldn't keep up with the hot water especially in Hopper. The bar needed more toilets in a closer proximity to it. Facilities seemed to be cleaned. Always seems to be a supply of wiping rag. --[[User:Guffer]]
== Miscellaneous ==

* Field access after the event was painful especially for those who had a lot of kit to get out. While I understand limiting the vehicles on site - after having several near misses with the golf carts it was ironic limiting the movement of vehicles to that degree. Perhaps send vehicles in a line with a few vehicles going to the same area to get the throughput. Was causing issues in the logistics car park with lorries not being able to turn properly. --[[User:Guffer]]
* Some more observations regarding departure & car access after the event from [[User:LeonH|LeonH]] ([[User talk:LeonH|talk]]) 13:07, 15 August 2017 (CEST). The general theme that I see here is the inability to adapt rules and plans set in advance to the circumstances. I was not part of the team, so some of my observations and suggestions may be unfair or unwarranted. Please excuse my ignorance in advance.
** On the 8th rain was predicted for around 14:00, so many villages were busy tearing down from 12:00 onwards. Yet cars were only allowed starting 17:00. I believe the rules set in advance should have been adapted to the circumstances in this case. I brought this to the attention of Teardown Management & Traffic teams, but I feel my suggestion was rejected without fully considering the discontent this would cause to hundreds of visitors. --[[User:LeonH]]
** As a consequence of the restricted car access, luggage shuttles were hopelessly overloaded that afternoon (with people waiting in the rain next to their luggage). I believe there was at least one extra trailer that could have been deployed as a shuttle. --[[User:LeonH]]
** The area on the parking were the shuttles dropped luggage was not sheltered and exposed to rain.--[[User:LeonH]]
** On the 8th in the afternoon and on the 9th, there was often a long queue of cars at the entrance waiting to get onto the field (our village had to wait ~1h) while the parking situation on the field was very relaxed. I feel the pragmatic thing to do in this case would have been to just maximize the number of cars parking on the field without causing chaos. I think urging villages to pack up before driving their car onto the field was a good idea to maximize throughput. --[[User:LeonH]]
** Having bicycle angels accompany cars on the field seemed like a nice idea, but didn't feel very useful in practice. People drive in cities every day without running people over. Inconsiderate people that wanted to drive onto the grass did so anyway, regardless of people telling them over and over not to. --[[User:LeonH]]

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2017-08-21T16:28:52Z

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* Otter! -- [[User:JanHenrik]]
* a great event, much fun and much to experience and learn, thank you everybody! :) --[[User:Raipat]]
* Been there, had fun! --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* No music after 2am was kind of bad joke --[[User:Nameofuser]]
:* We had permit limitations and SHA is not a rave party --[[User:Attilla]]
::* Why not? It's a little worrying that a few people seem to have the view that a hacker camp should not *also* be a party. It's not just a conference, people come to these events with the intention of having a party as well as getting involved with the activities and learning new stuff. --[[User:Msil]]
* The Dutch camp orga seems to not understand chaos. There is no point in trying to defeat chaos, you have to build your structure around it. This often failed. Anyway, overall I had a good experience. --[[User:BenjaminWand]]
* Had a nice time & met new interesting people, thanks to the orga for making SHA2017 happen! [[User:BjornW|BjornW]]

== Projectleiding ==
* Coordinating such a large event is a big challenge, it was a hard job. --[[User:Thomascovenant]]
* When logistics entrance stopped working, volunteers who have been there for hours were freezing without instructions. After that two CCC people from Team Villages took over, without consultation, because there was no one else. --[[User:Thomascovenant]]
:* Unfortunately Parking and Logistical entrance was not good arranged and we're very grateful of the people who picked it up. We've tried our best to additionally help the volunteers there, but that should indeed have been done from the beginning. Major improvement point for the next time. --[[User:Attilla]]
* Many thanks to Attila for taking care of orders and money management. --[[User:Thomascovenant]]

== Bar ==

* Prices at the Bar felt like a ripoff to me - eg. EUR 1.50 for a candy bar. There are gas stations that sell them for less. :( -- [[User:Mkie|Mkie]] ([[User talk:Mkie|talk]])
* Premade Tschunk and at some point without ice while the drink itself was on the more expensive side. --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* No fruit Juice only soda stuff, so for abstemious the only solution was Pepsi and 7-up --[[User:Mte90]]
** There were apple juice/orange juice (and a 3rd one i don't remember, no one asked for it during my shifts) :) -- [[User:Bigshot|Bigshot]] ([[User talk:Bigshot|talk]])
* 2 "beers" on tap. I understand it has to make a profit, but was expensive - even for carbonated drinks. Didn't use it that much. --[[User:Guffer]]

== Cohesion ==
* I heard a lot of good things about the silent lounge! Several friends enjoyed their time there, a great idea.
* Shouldn't happen: Team Cohesion member exploding at angels of the Ticket tent since they came at closing time. Frustration is understandable, but this is not the team to practice
your social skills.

== Content ==i
* Tardis room not explained on Frab so I didn't done 2 talks in the schedule --[[User:Mte90]]
* Very good and a good range of subjects. There was some overlap of talks --[[User:Guffer]]
* Opening ceremony was a bit boring and too focused around Stitch in the beginning

== Content/Heralds ==
== Content/Speakerdesk ==
== Decoration ==
* Sort of worked. The amount of time spent on decorating the portacabins might have been better spent on more site decoration --[[User:Guffer]]
:* Not sure what you mean. Team Deco did not decorate any portacabins. -- [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])

* I loved the gate and lights leading to it. I know how much group effort went into DECO during those awesome Hack42 weekends. Thank you for the great job you've done.

== Design ==
* I was happy to have colours to work with on the terrain, and it seems that many visitors enjoyed playing with them, too. -- [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])

== Family Village ==
*I was not part of the Family Village, but visited it multiple times with my daughter. This was my sixth time at the Dutch Hackercamps starting with HIP97 and the Family Village this time at SHA2017 outdid all other editions: a bouncy castle, 'ballenbak' and 2 tents with content tailored to kids. Awesome! Compliments to the Family Village orga team for making this a great experience for kids! -- [[User:BjornW|BjornW]]
*There were also sailing lessons for kids in the harbor (as well as grown up kids)... -- [[User:Andi2|Andi2]] ([[User talk:Andi2|talk]])
*I was really not happy with the family village deciding to spend budget on an 'owl show' for the kids. It was essentially a circus act featuring captive animals. I fail to see what this had to do with SHA in any way (zero hack value), the animals themselves were chained up and placed in boxes - they definitely did not look too happy, and often attempted to fly away when a few children got too close. I really don't want to see anything like that again at any future events. --[[User:Msil]]
:* I second the previous point. Cruelty to animals is not something I want to see at the camp (keeping wild birds chained in small boxes is animal lover action in the same way as kidnappers and serial killers are human lovers).
* I liked the train going around terrain, Family Village team doing so much on a tight schedule.
* Special thanks to young and very young hackers who helped with Entrance. You were awesome!

== Finance/coins/payments ==

* I did not like the way purchases at Bar/Foodcourt were handled, by buying coins. Especially the no-refund policy. (this was added by User [[User:Derchris|Derchris]] but not properly signed)
* The coin thingy felt like a bit of a ripoff, as you would always have some useless plastic coins left over at the end. And the coin machines always spat out the coins on the floor, despite the attempted fixes with tape - it seemed they were designed by people who have never designed such a thing before. -- [[User:PoempelFox|PoempelFox]] ([[User talk:PoempelFox|talk]])
* The plastic coins are so unbelievable senseless. Don't we have this €-thing within the EU to exchange goods / services against cash already? --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* No prices for the coins online in advance of the event, No prices for the food / drink items online. --[[User:CliffAlbert]]
* Coins are a pain in the backside. Also no indication as to which type of overseas cards would work. Visa/Mastercard didn't work, but Visa Debit did. World has gone contactless. Understand it is an issue in getting the money from the card companies. Cash still needs to be available for those who don't have the euro as their local currency. No way to get your money back for unspent coins. --[[User:Guffer]]
* Plastic coins also very susceptible to being 3D printed... --[[User:Guffer]]

== Foodcourt ==

* While the food at the food court was good, there was not nearly enough choice. Especially if you wanted a main meal to eat and not just some sweets, your choice was "a burger", "fries", "noodles from a wok" or "vegan stuff trying to imitate meat". That really isn't a lot to get repleted, and at 2 meals a day you repeat everything multiple times. Also, at least on the first two days the food court was completely overwhelmed by the demand, the queues were endless, you'd stand in line for an hour. And they opened too late - at 14:00 on day 1, only the 'holy crepe' was open, nothing else. Did you not expect people to eat on the first day?! -- [[User:PoempelFox|PoempelFox]] ([[User talk:PoempelFox|talk]])
* I wasn't so pleased with food court. The food was ok, but just ok while only delivering small amounts of food seemed like a ripoff for me. Disclosure: I'm spoiled by the food from the angel kitchen :) --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* Great improvement from OHM2013 :) -- [[User:Bigshot|Bigshot]] ([[User talk:Bigshot|talk]])
* Being dependent on the food court would have meant starving from both a lack of nutritional value (portions way too small, not enough choice for 5 days, more snacks than meals, not enough vegetarian options) as well as a lack of funds (7,50 for a small burger!?). Thanks to Millyway's, Pizza Village, home-cooking and Italian Embassy disaster was averted and I survived ;). Maybe next time a system similar to the Angel kitchen could be setup for the whole camp? -- [[User:BjornW|BjornW]]
:* Or you could have volunteered and gotten awesome, abundant food at no cost ;-) I don't think feeding 3500 people from one kitchen is feasible; kitchens scale, but they don't scale THAT much. -- [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])
* Very limited selection and expensive. "Cook like your mom" was good. --[[User:Guffer]]
* Stock up at a supermarket before going to the camp. Fruits, salads, freshly baked bread, yoghurt, bottles of juice and long-storage milk will last 3-4 days without a fridge. The volunteer/orga kitchen was excellent, with buffet warm meals, but you'd need to volunteer to get that. -- [[User:Vadim Makarov|Vadim Makarov]] ([[User talk:Vadim Makarov|talk]])

== Infodesk / wiki ==
* Worked well --[[User:Guffer]]
* Excellent job, very helpful, positive and relaxed. Also people inside the Team supporting each other.

== Logistics (shuttle, waste) ==

* The ability to post packages to the event was invaluable. I was able to repair diesel bike and go home. --[[User:Russell|Russell]] ([[User talk:Russell|talk]])
* Luggage shuttle, so useful, very helping, so wow! --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* No bottle drop points :( --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* Waste bins at campsite areas nowhere near big enough, consider using 1100litre eurobins in the camping areas, else volunteers are forever picking up bags from the ground. More glass recycling needed -- [[User:Sha2017.org-will-h|Sha2017.org-will-h]] ([[User talk:Sha2017.org-will-h|talk]])
** Bigger bins would have caused issues in the emptying of them on a daily basis (impossible to hoist them into a golf cart and the walking distance was enormous. Wouldn't fit the trash compactor either). Most days we were all right and only minor buildup occured. We didn't anticipate the holy shit storm on teardown day. Did not see that people just dump crap on the floor because they didn't bring any binbags. Also: villages could have helped out with this, we even provided a few with extra binliners. Some did excellent and helped out, others did not. I see a correlation between the loudness of the village and the mess they leave behind. The Geraffel/Chaos West clusters were the center of the waste shit storm. Pizza Village and Milliways second place. Thanks for that. Agree on the glass and trash separation. That was my bad, completely forgot to arrange more glass bins. -- [[User:Sebastius|Sebastius]] ([[User talk:Sebastius|talk]])
* As noted, bins seemed to be very random at being emptied. As suggested earlier, perhaps the larger eurobins? --[[User:Guffer]]
* Getting stuff on site using the gold cart and trailers was hit and miss. If you have cars arriving in the car park, the buggies could have waited and taken lots of people stuff at once. Not clearly signed or informed of how that process worked. --[[User:Guffer]]

== Music Lounge ==
* Expanses for silent Headphone parties can be spared. --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* Have it a bit further away to keep the noise away from interfering with the talks going on in the two nearby areas --[[User:Guffer]]
== Silent Lounge ==
* Having helped at the bar i can say that there was a problem with people asking for a beer (or something else) loudly from outside or ignoring the "no-shoe" sign. -- [[User:Bigshot|Bigshot]] ([[User talk:Bigshot|talk]])
* Sort of worked. --[[User:Guffer]]
== NOC / Network ==
* I wish my ISP would have the same quality --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* Connectivity was good most of the time. 2.4Gig mostly worked. Would have been nice if the NOC had let us know about the IPv6 issues at the start rather than just "we've fixed it" as it caused me various problems to start with. --[[User:Guffer]]

== POC / Dect / Fieldphones ==
* worked very well --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* I concur. I had no issues using my Dect. Gerne mal wieder! -- [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])
* imho easily the most fun people of SHA2017. When DECT spot was closed, some people came by POC tent and help was provided
* Field phones worked great, I will fondly remember night call from Silent Disco to Pizza Village

== Power ==
* Was reliable, but not enough outlets. Some areas had nothing attached. Could they not have moved the boxes and just joined the cables together? D Some Ceeform 16A would have made it easier for people who have leads where we use them a lot for camping. --[[User:Guffer]]
* If you are going to kill the power at 6PM the night before people have to leave please tell them. We only knew due to having people around from the Orga. Was insulting to have the generator running but no cables left out to power the harbor, not to mention the search light still going. --[[User:Guffer]]

== Alt.pwr ==
== Productiehuis / recordings / track tents / AV / VOC ==
* C3VOC did a good job as always. --[[User:Guffer]]
* Video walls worked well, although some did get upset at times and have tearing issues. Would be nice if we could get the slides of presentations as well. --[[User:Guffer]]

== Safety / stewards / first aid / Fire Marshalls ==
* Where to start on this? You seriously have to look at the Health and Safety. You had people driving heavy plant during the time that visitors were on site during the time that people were allowed on site and also tear down with no banks(wo)men. Driving with loads on their forks and couldn't see in front. Almost all the drivers of the golf buggies were mental (worse than the italians in Rome...) even worse on the main terrain - how anyone was not seriously hurt I don't know. Yes, bomb around, but not where people, especially children are. And no lights. --[[User:Guffer]]
** I heard of one foot being run over by a golf cart (without serious consequences, but still). [[User:LeonH|LeonH]] ([[User talk:LeonH|talk]]) 13:10, 15 August 2017 (CEST)
** In the defense of those driving golf karts and forklifts: Everyone who wanted to use a motorized vehicle from Logistics had to show a valid drivers licence, even those with forklifts. Logistics was very strict in that policy. -- [[User:mr_seeker|mr_seeker]] ([[User talk:mr_seeker|talk]])
* Site lighting was poor. WE had festoon on the ground from the car park to the main gate. Didn't illuminate it that well and there were large rock lumps on the path. Then no lighting from the main gate taking you in to camp. Main access paths had no lighting, and with the Dutch loving their bikes, zooming past in the dark with no lights - not good considering the amount of booze being consumed. The lighting was then torn out on the Tuesday evening when people were still leaving at night --[[User:Guffer]]
* There was an emergency message received by Team Ticket which required fast response. I called Safety on the radio three times within an hour, received an ack, someone was sent to our tent, no one came. I gave up, sorted it out. Luckily we had zero security incidents at the entrance. [[User:Thomascovenant|Thomascovenant]]

== Sysadmin / bofh ==
* There were sysadmins? I didn't notice, therefore they did a very good job! --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* Sysadmin for Volunteer System not only kept it running, but spent time by Volunteer Desk giving advice. Well done!

== Terrain ==

* Should another event occour on this field, the fields on the harbour-side of the dyke should all be powered to allow use. Because they have a ground where water quickly drains, so they never flooded or got overly muddy, and they were well protected from the wind. Many people realized that, and Snowdon field was completely packed with sleeping tents. If Zuse had had power and network infrastructure, it would probably have been well used as well. -- [[User:PoempelFox|PoempelFox]] ([[User talk:PoempelFox|talk]])
** You should have come to Engelbart, which had only about 10 people camping but network through and power at south end. Having a sprawling camp is good for those who need quieteness for sleep. -- [[User:Vadim Makarov|Vadim Makarov]] ([[User talk:Vadim Makarov|talk]])
* Assigning explicit maximum noise ratings for fields made this event way more enjoyable than the last ones -- [[User:Sprawl|Sprawl]] ([[User talk:Sprawl|talk]])
* the terrain was good but maybe the camp was a bit too "diluted", if the next event will occour in the same terrain it can be a nice idea to close some fields. -- [[User:Bigshot|Bigshot]] ([[User talk:Bigshot|talk]])
* Better water management would make a lot of difference, but I understand that is not easy or cheap. I liked that the camp was so spread out over different fields so one could easily choose more peace and quiet; I'd have hated to be in a noisier area. Please don't pack us into a smaller number of fields! -- [[User:Moem|Moem]] ([[User talk:Moem|talk]])
** On the case of water management: I noticed during build-up that they were repairing the water pump. Another solution: Walking plates on high-traffic areas, to prevent them from becoming a soggy mess. -- [[User:mr_seeker|mr_seeker]] ([[User talk:mr_seeker|talk]])
* Camp was over an area a bit too large - could have been condensed down a bit. Quiet areas were a winner for those that wanted it. Its a hack camp, not a techno rave camp. Know issues with the fields being water locked not too much of an issue during the event. Could have been a bigger problem. --[[User:Guffer]]
* Car parking worked well. Just a very long walk for some people from the car park back to their village. --[[User:Guffer]]
* Site design was not bad. The bar area didnt make much noise at night except for the "music lounge" and I use that term loosely. Could it not have gone the other side of the bar further away from the quiet areas and the talk tents? --[[User:Guffer]]

== Ticket and Entrance ==
* See note in the safety area about this --[[User:Guffer]]
* Young hackers did a great job as angels
== Villages ==
* Worked well. Having some of the reserved areas marked out worked. However, those in campers, unless you turned up on day -2 you couldn't get near to your village area. Needed more areas but perhaps with less vehicles together. --[[User:Guffer]]
* Thanks to ccc Village members who took over logistics entrance coordination in addition to their own Village duties. When everything failed and volunteers were scarce or left without instructions etc., you took over and supported them and each other. Doing it together is something that CCC has a good hang of and your experience was very valuable. "Support your people" <3
== Volunteering / Angels ==
* The food was EXTRA ORDINARY! Kudos to the kitchen crew; please never ever change anything. The food was twice warm meal, it was tasty, it had at several dishes, it was complex to tease one, and I was actually having a full stomach every time and that means something with my bottom less stomach -- [[User:Pcdog|Pcdog]] ([[User talk:Pcdog|talk]])
** I liked the food too. The cooking was done by "Mecklenburger". You can meet them at different festivals and the bigger events done by CCC. They will be at 34c3 in Leipzig for sure. --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* I recommend to put of a sign in the walk way towards the fields and main area to sign up as Angel in the Angel system. This is to have a bigger traction in the beginning of the event. --[[User:Sha2017.org-vision]]
* For most of my shifts (even the money handling and/or more complex ones) I never met the person in charge / a coordinator and therefore got different or no instructions.
* At some point even Heaven was overtaken by volunteers without proper instruction / planning. They did a very good job (thanks for the after midnight coffee delivery!), but at the same moment it felt like the organizers of SHA2017 had lost control over quite big parts of the event. --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* All the angels really were angels. Some of them even working 8+ hours a day beside they had payed >200€ for an ticket! --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* Having only one disinfection machine (and no dishwasher) in the angle kitchen was kind of a bad joke. Delivering over thousands meals every day needs a little up scaling for the cleaning capabilities too ;) --[[User:Nameofuser]]
* Angels make the event. Bribery of food works. Many thanks to them. --[[User:Guffer]]

== Toilets/Showers ==
* These were good! Always clean. Too much queueing on the toilets/showers by the harbour (Hopper/Snowden) and Orga, though; this area needs more in future, I was frequently going to other areas of the camp to use facilities. -- [[User:Sha2017.org-will-h|Sha2017.org-will-h]] ([[User talk:Sha2017.org-will-h|talk]])
* Showers variable. The permanent site showers couldn't keep up with the hot water especially in Hopper. The bar needed more toilets in a closer proximity to it. Facilities seemed to be cleaned. Always seems to be a supply of wiping rag. --[[User:Guffer]]
== Miscellaneous ==

* Field access after the event was painful especially for those who had a lot of kit to get out. While I understand limiting the vehicles on site - after having several near misses with the golf carts it was ironic limiting the movement of vehicles to that degree. Perhaps send vehicles in a line with a few vehicles going to the same area to get the throughput. Was causing issues in the logistics car park with lorries not being able to turn properly. --[[User:Guffer]]
* Some more observations regarding departure & car access after the event from [[User:LeonH|LeonH]] ([[User talk:LeonH|talk]]) 13:07, 15 August 2017 (CEST). The general theme that I see here is the inability to adapt rules and plans set in advance to the circumstances. I was not part of the team, so some of my observations and suggestions may be unfair or unwarranted. Please excuse my ignorance in advance.
** On the 8th rain was predicted for around 14:00, so many villages were busy tearing down from 12:00 onwards. Yet cars were only allowed starting 17:00. I believe the rules set in advance should have been adapted to the circumstances in this case. I brought this to the attention of Teardown Management & Traffic teams, but I feel my suggestion was rejected without fully considering the discontent this would cause to hundreds of visitors. --[[User:LeonH]]
** As a consequence of the restricted car access, luggage shuttles were hopelessly overloaded that afternoon (with people waiting in the rain next to their luggage). I believe there was at least one extra trailer that could have been deployed as a shuttle. --[[User:LeonH]]
** The area on the parking were the shuttles dropped luggage was not sheltered and exposed to rain.--[[User:LeonH]]
** On the 8th in the afternoon and on the 9th, there was often a long queue of cars at the entrance waiting to get onto the field (our village had to wait ~1h) while the parking situation on the field was very relaxed. I feel the pragmatic thing to do in this case would have been to just maximize the number of cars parking on the field without causing chaos. I think urging villages to pack up before driving their car onto the field was a good idea to maximize throughput. --[[User:LeonH]]
** Having bicycle angels accompany cars on the field seemed like a nice idea, but didn't feel very useful in practice. People drive in cities every day without running people over. Inconsiderate people that wanted to drive onto the grass did so anyway, regardless of people telling them over and over not to. --[[User:LeonH]]

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{| class="wikitable sortable broadtable"
!Outlet
!Title (&link)
!Time/editor
|-
|Heise
|[https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Erster-Fahrplan-des-Hackercamps-SHA-2017-veroeffentlicht-3744273.html Erster Fahrplan des Hackercamps SHA 2017 veröffentlicht]
| 15.06.2017 13:20 Uhr Detlef Borchers
|-
|Security.nl
|[https://www.security.nl/posting/522469/SHA2017%3A+3300+hackers+op+een+camping+in+Zeewolde SHA2017: 3300 hackers op een camping in Zeewolde]
| maandag 3 juli 2017, 11:31 door Redactie
|-
|Punto Informatico
|[http://punto-informatico.it/4395332/PI/Commenti/consigli-cassandra-italian-hacker-embassyatsha2017.aspx Consigli di Cassandra/ Italian Hacker Embassy@SHA2017]
|mercoledì 19 luglio 2017 di Marco Calamari
|-
|Tweakers
|[https://tweakers.net/geek/124425/nederlands-hackercamp-sha2017-gaat-wifi-badges-met-e-ink-gebruiken.html Nederlands hackercamp SHA2017 gaat wifi-badges met E-Ink gebruiken]
| 08.05.2017 15:15 Olaf van Miltenburg
|-
|Tweakers
|[https://tweakers.net/geek/125999/pgp-bedenker-phil-zimmermann-spreekt-op-nederlands-hackercamp-sha2017.html PGP-bedenker Phil Zimmermann spreekt op Nederlands hackercamp SHA2017]
| 15.06.2017 13:06 Sander van Voorst
|-
|Tweakers
|[https://tweakers.net/geek/126507/nederlands-hackercamp-sha2017-krijgt-100gbit-s-internetverbinding.html Nederlands hackercamp SHA2017 krijgt 100Gbit/s-internetverbinding]
| 28.06.2017 17:03 Olaf van Miltenburg
|-
|Computeridee
|[http://www.computeridee.nl/nieuws/kamperende-hackers-op-nederlands-festival-sha2017/ amperende hackers op Nederlands festival SHA2017]
| Randolf Bouwma op maandag 26 juni 2017 om 16:27
|-
|Heise
|[https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Was-war-Was-wird-Von-der-achten-Kunst-Hacken-3733574.html Was war. Was wird. Von der achten Kunst, Hacken]
|04.06.2017 00:07 Uhr Hal Faber
|-
|Omroep Flevoland (local TV news)
|[http://www.omroepflevoland.nl/nieuws/149972/zeewolde-scoutingterrein-tijdelijk-paradijs-voor-hackers Scoutingterrein tijdelijk paradijs voor hackers] (tv interview build-up, Stitch)
|02-08-2017
|-
|Omroep Flevoland (local TV news)
|[http://www.omroepflevoland.nl/nieuws/150059/zeewolde-hackers-hacken-er-op-los-in-zeewolde Hackers hacken er op los in Zeewolde] (tv interview DWizzy)
|05-08-2017
|-
|Hackaday
|[http://hackaday.com/tag/sha2017/ all their articles tagged "sha2017"]
|all dates
|-
|NRC
|[https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2017/08/05/hacken-op-de-camping-12378670-a1569015 Hacken Op de camping]
|05.08.2017
|-
|NOS
|[https://nos.nl/artikel/2187008-hackers-kraken-brandweerauto-op-hackerfestival.html? Hackers kraken brandweerauto op hackerfestival]
|08.08.2017
|-
|NOS Journaal 12:00
|[https://nos.nl/uitzending/26652-nos-journaal.html NOS Journaal, starts at 6:42]
|08.08.2017 , 12:00
|-
|NOS Journaal
|[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhkHL-yMcps&feature=youtu.be NOS Firetruck Item]
|08.08.2017
|-
|XS4ALL blog
|[https://blog.xs4all.nl/gratis-pizza-zelfgebouwde-autootjes-en-gezamenlijk-hacken-welkom-op-sha/ Gratis pizza, zelfgebouwde autootjes en gezamenlijk hacken: welkom op SHA!] [https://blog.xs4all.nl/still-hacking-dit-is-wat-er-gebeurt-op-hackersfestival-sha/ Still hacking! Dit is wat er gebeurt op hackersfestival SHA] [https://blog.xs4all.nl/de-geheime-wereld-achter-het-hackersfestival/ De geheime wereld achter het hackersfestival] [https://blog.xs4all.nl/vijf-dagen-hacken-en-feesten-op-hackersfestival-sha/ Vijf dagen hacken en feesten op hackersfestival SHA]
|06.08.2017 - 09.08.2017
|-
|Trouw
|[https://www.trouw.nl/cultuur/een-oude-airco-wat-platen-en-voila-een-inloop-ijskast~a16a5871/ Een oude airco, wat platen en voilà: een inloop-ijskast]
|08.08.2017 , 10:25
|-
|BNR
|[https://www.bnr.nl/nieuws/tech/10327220/alle-hens-aan-hack-in-zeewolde ALLE HENS AAN HACK IN ZEEWOLDE]
|04.08.2017 , 17:53
|-
|NOS
|[https://www.npo.nl/nos-journaal/08-08-2017/POW_03375197 NOS Journaal 18:00, from 10:32]
|08.08.2017 , 18:00
|-
| Motherboard Vice
| [https://motherboard.vice.com/nl/article/bjjgxq/het-is-goed-dat-hackers-op-sha-festival-hun-nerderige-zelf-kunnen-maar-ook-niet Ik was een dag m'n meest nerdy zelf op het grootste hackfestival van Nederland]
|08.08.2017
|-
| Le Vif
| [http://datanews.levif.be/ict/actualite/des-hackers-piratent-un-vehicule-de-pompiers-aux-pays-bas/article-normal-703363.html Des hackers piratent un véhicule de pompiers aux Pays-Bas]
|08.08.2017
|-
| Heise
| [https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Hackercamp-SHA2017-All-Computers-are-broken-3794575.html Hackercamp SHA2017: All Computers are broken]
| 07.08.2017
|-
|Tweakers
| [https://tweakers.net/nieuws/128097/hackers-krijgen-toegang-tot-router-van-nederlandse-brandweerwagen.html Tweakers.net - Hackers krijgen toegang tot router van Nederlandse brandweerwagen]
| 06.08.2017
|-
|Tweakers
| [https://tweakers.net/geek/128035/teslas-hacken-en-datenklos-op-hackerkamp-sha2017.html Tweakers.net - Tesla's hacken en Datenklo's op hackerkamp SHA2017]
| 06.08.2017
|-
| Yahoo News
|[https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/20468823-94f4-313e-8ed5-4a5a74fb365d/nsa-whistleblower-william.html Yahoo.com - 'How the NSA tracks you' -- NSA whistleblower at hacker conference]
|07.08.2017
|-
| Waag.org
|[http://waag.org/nl/blog/10-redenen-waarom-sha2017-het-leukste-kamp-van-het-jaar-was 10 redenen waarom SHA2017 het leukste kamp van het jaar was]
|09-08-2017
|-
|De Stentor
|[http://www.destentor.nl/zeewolde/alarm-over-hack-in-brandweerauto~ae77462f/ Alarm over hack in brandweerauto]
|09-08-17 05:30 Arjen ten Cate
|-
| heise
|[https://m.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Hackercamp-SHA2017-Kuenstliche-Intelligenzen-und-gefaehrliche-Algorithmen-3796002.html Hackercamp SHA2017: Künstliche Intelligenzen und gefährliche Algorithmen]
|09-08-2017
|-
| Hardware.info
|[https://nl.hardware.info/nieuws/53058/100-gigabit-op-de-poldercamping 100 gigabit op de poldercamping]
|11-08-2017
|-
| BBC
|[http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40861976 Hackers 'could target electricity grid' via solar panel tech]
|08-08-2017
|-
| Cumulus Blog
|[https://cumulusnetworks.com/blog/sha-2017-100-gigabit-tent/ SHA 2017 – bringing 100 gigabit to the tent ]
|11-08-2017
|-
| Heise
|[https://heise.de/-3798812 Was war. Was wird. Vom Regen (NL) in die Traufe (D).]
|13-08-2017
|-
|De Stentor
| [http://www.destentor.nl/zeewolde/3300-hackers-kamperen-in-zeewolde~a8e0b6ca/ 3300 hackers kamperen in Zeewolde]
|02-08-17 19:24 Teake Dijkstra
|-
|Reformatorisch Dagblad
|[https://www.rd.nl/vandaag/binnenland/meer-dan-drieduizend-hackers-bijeen-in-zeewolde-1.1420533 Meer dan drieduizend hackers bijeen in Zeewolde]
| 04-08-2017 Webredactie
|-
|Reformatorisch Dagblad
|[https://www.rd.nl/vandaag/binnenland/italiaan-wil-in-zeewolde-tesla-laten-hacken-1.1420658 Italiaan wil in Zeewolde Tesla laten hacken]
| 05-08-2017 Arien van Ginkel
|}

Press/coverage

2017-08-13T19:35:36Z

Moem: je verwacht het niet

Please add press coverage here!
{| class="wikitable sortable broadtable"
!Outlet
!Title (&link)
!Time/editor
|-
|Heise
|[https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Erster-Fahrplan-des-Hackercamps-SHA-2017-veroeffentlicht-3744273.html Erster Fahrplan des Hackercamps SHA 2017 veröffentlicht]
| 15.06.2017 13:20 Uhr Detlef Borchers
|-
|Security.nl
|[https://www.security.nl/posting/522469/SHA2017%3A+3300+hackers+op+een+camping+in+Zeewolde SHA2017: 3300 hackers op een camping in Zeewolde]
| maandag 3 juli 2017, 11:31 door Redactie
|-
|Punto Informatico
|[http://punto-informatico.it/4395332/PI/Commenti/consigli-cassandra-italian-hacker-embassyatsha2017.aspx Consigli di Cassandra/ Italian Hacker Embassy@SHA2017]
|mercoledì 19 luglio 2017 di Marco Calamari
|-
|Tweakers
|[https://tweakers.net/geek/124425/nederlands-hackercamp-sha2017-gaat-wifi-badges-met-e-ink-gebruiken.html Nederlands hackercamp SHA2017 gaat wifi-badges met E-Ink gebruiken]
| 08.05.2017 15:15 Olaf van Miltenburg
|-
|Tweakers
|[https://tweakers.net/geek/125999/pgp-bedenker-phil-zimmermann-spreekt-op-nederlands-hackercamp-sha2017.html PGP-bedenker Phil Zimmermann spreekt op Nederlands hackercamp SHA2017]
| 15.06.2017 13:06 Sander van Voorst
|-
|Tweakers
|[https://tweakers.net/geek/126507/nederlands-hackercamp-sha2017-krijgt-100gbit-s-internetverbinding.html Nederlands hackercamp SHA2017 krijgt 100Gbit/s-internetverbinding]
| 28.06.2017 17:03 Olaf van Miltenburg
|-
|Computeridee
|[http://www.computeridee.nl/nieuws/kamperende-hackers-op-nederlands-festival-sha2017/ amperende hackers op Nederlands festival SHA2017]
| Randolf Bouwma op maandag 26 juni 2017 om 16:27
|-
|Heise
|[https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Was-war-Was-wird-Von-der-achten-Kunst-Hacken-3733574.html Was war. Was wird. Von der achten Kunst, Hacken]
|04.06.2017 00:07 Uhr Hal Faber
|-
|Omroep Flevoland (local TV news)
|[http://www.omroepflevoland.nl/nieuws/149972/zeewolde-scoutingterrein-tijdelijk-paradijs-voor-hackers Scoutingterrein tijdelijk paradijs voor hackers] (tv interview build-up, Stitch)
|02-08-2017
|-
|Omroep Flevoland (local TV news)
|[http://www.omroepflevoland.nl/nieuws/150059/zeewolde-hackers-hacken-er-op-los-in-zeewolde Hackers hacken er op los in Zeewolde] (tv interview DWizzy)
|05-08-2017
|-
|Hackaday
|[http://hackaday.com/tag/sha2017/ all their articles tagged "sha2017"]
|all dates
|-
|NRC
|[https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2017/08/05/hacken-op-de-camping-12378670-a1569015 Hacken Op de camping]
|05.08.2017
|-
|Reformatorisch Dagblad
|[https://www.rd.nl/vandaag/binnenland/italiaan-wil-in-zeewolde-tesla-laten-hacken-1.1420658 Italiaan wil in Zeewolde Tesla laten hacken]
|05.08.2017
|-
|NOS
|[https://nos.nl/artikel/2187008-hackers-kraken-brandweerauto-op-hackerfestival.html? Hackers kraken brandweerauto op hackerfestival]
|08.08.2017
|-
|NOS Journaal 12:00
|[https://nos.nl/uitzending/26652-nos-journaal.html NOS Journaal, starts at 6:42]
|08.08.2017 , 12:00
|-
|NOS Journaal
|[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhkHL-yMcps&feature=youtu.be NOS Firetruck Item]
|08.08.2017
|-
|XS4ALL blog
|[https://blog.xs4all.nl/gratis-pizza-zelfgebouwde-autootjes-en-gezamenlijk-hacken-welkom-op-sha/ Gratis pizza, zelfgebouwde autootjes en gezamenlijk hacken: welkom op SHA!] [https://blog.xs4all.nl/still-hacking-dit-is-wat-er-gebeurt-op-hackersfestival-sha/ Still hacking! Dit is wat er gebeurt op hackersfestival SHA] [https://blog.xs4all.nl/de-geheime-wereld-achter-het-hackersfestival/ De geheime wereld achter het hackersfestival] [https://blog.xs4all.nl/vijf-dagen-hacken-en-feesten-op-hackersfestival-sha/ Vijf dagen hacken en feesten op hackersfestival SHA]
|06.08.2017 - 09.08.2017
|-
|Trouw
|[https://www.trouw.nl/cultuur/een-oude-airco-wat-platen-en-voila-een-inloop-ijskast~a16a5871/ Een oude airco, wat platen en voilà: een inloop-ijskast]
|08.08.2017 , 10:25
|-
|BNR
|[https://www.bnr.nl/nieuws/tech/10327220/alle-hens-aan-hack-in-zeewolde ALLE HENS AAN HACK IN ZEEWOLDE]
|04.08.2017 , 17:53
|-
|NOS
|[https://www.npo.nl/nos-journaal/08-08-2017/POW_03375197 NOS Journaal 18:00, from 10:32]
|08.08.2017 , 18:00
|-
| Motherboard Vice
| [https://motherboard.vice.com/nl/article/bjjgxq/het-is-goed-dat-hackers-op-sha-festival-hun-nerderige-zelf-kunnen-maar-ook-niet Ik was een dag m'n meest nerdy zelf op het grootste hackfestival van Nederland]
|08.08.2017
|-
| Le Vif
| [http://datanews.levif.be/ict/actualite/des-hackers-piratent-un-vehicule-de-pompiers-aux-pays-bas/article-normal-703363.html Des hackers piratent un véhicule de pompiers aux Pays-Bas]
|08.08.2017
|-
| Heise
| [https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Hackercamp-SHA2017-All-Computers-are-broken-3794575.html Hackercamp SHA2017: All Computers are broken]
| 07.08.2017
|-
|Tweakers
| [https://tweakers.net/nieuws/128097/hackers-krijgen-toegang-tot-router-van-nederlandse-brandweerwagen.html Tweakers.net - Hackers krijgen toegang tot router van Nederlandse brandweerwagen]
| 06.08.2017
|-
|Tweakers
| [https://tweakers.net/geek/128035/teslas-hacken-en-datenklos-op-hackerkamp-sha2017.html Tweakers.net - Tesla's hacken en Datenklo's op hackerkamp SHA2017]
| 06.08.2017
|-
| Yahoo News
|[https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/20468823-94f4-313e-8ed5-4a5a74fb365d/nsa-whistleblower-william.html Yahoo.com - 'How the NSA tracks you' -- NSA whistleblower at hacker conference]
|07.08.2017
|-
| Waag.org
|[http://waag.org/nl/blog/10-redenen-waarom-sha2017-het-leukste-kamp-van-het-jaar-was 10 redenen waarom SHA2017 het leukste kamp van het jaar was]
|09-08-2017
|-
|De Stentor
|[http://www.destentor.nl/zeewolde/alarm-over-hack-in-brandweerauto~ae77462f/ Alarm over hack in brandweerauto]
|09-08-17 05:30 Arjen ten Cate
|-
| heise
|[https://m.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Hackercamp-SHA2017-Kuenstliche-Intelligenzen-und-gefaehrliche-Algorithmen-3796002.html Hackercamp SHA2017: Künstliche Intelligenzen und gefährliche Algorithmen]
|09-08-2017
|-
| Hardware.info
|[https://nl.hardware.info/nieuws/53058/100-gigabit-op-de-poldercamping 100 gigabit op de poldercamping]
|11-08-2017
|-
| BBC
|[http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40861976 Hackers 'could target electricity grid' via solar panel tech]
|08-08-2017
|-
| Cumulus Blog
|[https://cumulusnetworks.com/blog/sha-2017-100-gigabit-tent/ SHA 2017 – bringing 100 gigabit to the tent ]
|11-08-2017
|-
| Heise
|[https://heise.de/-3798812 Was war. Was wird. Vom Regen (NL) in die Traufe (D).]
|13-08-2017
|-
|De Stentor
| [http://www.destentor.nl/zeewolde/3300-hackers-kamperen-in-zeewolde~a8e0b6ca/ 3300 hackers kamperen in Zeewolde]
|02-08-17 19:24 Teake Dijkstra
|-
|Reformatorisch Dagblad
|[https://www.rd.nl/vandaag/binnenland/meer-dan-drieduizend-hackers-bijeen-in-zeewolde-1.1420533 Meer dan drieduizend hackers bijeen in Zeewolde]
| 04-08-2017 Webredactie
|-
|Reformatorisch Dagblad
|[https://www.rd.nl/vandaag/binnenland/italiaan-wil-in-zeewolde-tesla-laten-hacken-1.1420658 Italiaan wil in Zeewolde Tesla laten hacken]
| 05-08-2017 Arien van Ginkel
|}

Press/coverage

2017-08-13T19:28:35Z

2017-07-19T13:09:19Z

Moem:

User:Moem

2017-07-19T13:06:18Z

Moem: workshop added

{{User
|Name=Moem
|Bringing=beauty to the party.
|Working on=Projects:WhatTheHelmet workshop
|Arrival=2017/08/01
|BuildupVehicle=No
|Departure=2017/08/09
|EMail=moem@hack42.nl
}}
O hai! This is [https://orga.sha2017.org/index.php/User:Moem me]. I do [https://hack42.nl/wiki/Gebruiker:Moem stuff]. So much [https://www.instructables.com/member/Moem/instructables/ stuff]. Also other [https://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/Moem/ stuff]. 
And I like to sing. Let's sing a song together. I bet you know how this one goes.

''Might sound crazy what I'm 'bout to say'' 
''Summer, she's here, you can take a break'' 
''Out on a field or in a hackerspace'' 
''Up in the air, yeah we don't care, hacking anyway'' 

''(Because we're hacking)'' 
''Hack along if you feel like a room without a roof'' 
''(Because we're hacking)'' 
''Hack along if you feel that hacking brings out the truth'' 
''(Because we're hacking)'' 
''Hack along if you know what hacking means to you'' 
''(Because we're hacking)'' 
''Hack along if you feel that that's what you wanna do'' 

''Here come bad news, sayin': you can't do that'' 
''Gimme all you got, don't hold back'' 
''You should prob'ly know, whatever you say'' 
''No offence to you: we're hacking anyway'' 

''(Because we're hacking)'' 
''Hack along if you feel like a room without a roof'' 
''(Because we're hacking)'' 
''Hack along if you feel that hacking brings out the truth'' 
''(Because we're hacking)'' 
''Hack along if you know what hacking means to you'' 
''(Because we're hacking)'' 
''Hack along if you feel that that's what you wanna do'' 

''(Hacking)'' 
''Bring me down'' 
''Can't nothing'' 
''Bring me down'' 
''My leetness's too high'' 
''Bring me down'' 
''Can't nothing'' 
''Bring me down'' 
''I said (let me tell you now)'' 
''Bring me down'' 
''Can't nothing'' 
''Bring me down'' 
''My leetness's too high'' 
''Bring me down'' 
''Can't nothing'' 
''Bring me down'' 
''I said'' 

''[chorus 2x]''

Projects:WhatTheHelmet workshop

2017-07-19T13:04:36Z

Moem: WhatTheHelmet workshop

{{Projects
|Name=WhatTheHelmet workshop
|Has project tag=paint, workshop, helmet, creative, hardware
|Has description=Make a boring hard hat into an object of utter coolness! This is a fun, hands-on workshop for anyone over 13 (if younger, bring a parent or other adult) who wants to make their own super cool steampunky helmet. You'll be working with hot glue and paint, so dress for the occasion.
 If you are crafty at all, and like shiny things, this workshop is for you.
|Located at village=Village:Belgian Embassy
}}
Life in general, and hacking in particular, can be dangerous! Protect yourself from falling objects, flying drones and gamma rays... but do it in style. Come and join us to create one of these ultimately cool and geeky helmets. Whatever comes at you, you'll be able to think 'What the hell, I'm protected.' Your finished WhatTheHelmet will look like pewter, rusty iron, bronze or copper. It can have your name or other adornments. If you want, you can add LEDs or other electronics (bring them!) Above all, it will be one of a kind and it can still be worn. 
Participating in this workhop costs €5, which covers the materials. There is a break during which we'll let the paint dry.

Date and time: Augustus 5, 11:00 
Location: Hardware Hacking tent in the Belgian Embassy

Are you joining us? There is room for 20 participants. Please add your nick to the list below.

*You?

CarPooling

2017-07-11T11:29:03Z

Moem: /* Requests */ added a line break

I was wondering if there was any Carpooling page for SHA2017 and someone told me to create it on the Wiki, so let's go :)

If you want to go to SHA2017 by car and have extra seats for other nice hackers from your Area ! You can offer your spare seats !

If this page is a mess we'll think about how to organize it geographically ;)

== Announce Creation ==
=== Driver Announce ===
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! Info !! You
|-
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|-
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|-
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|-
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|-
|}
=== Requests ===
I'm looking for someone to move my small tent and sleeping bag from London to camp. - Glen 
I'm looking for a ride from Berlin to camp by the 29th - Glen

I am in Amsterdam and am looking for a ride to the camping location. Not sure how to leave my contact info? - Anina

Template:Village

2017-07-06T09:17:27Z

Moem: prefered => preferred (corrected spelling)

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